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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2014 at 10:12
he is a bit overrated. He's very creative but his ideas go beyond his guitar abilities, so that's the problem.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2014 at 10:14
I have a more thought provoking question. Are The Beatles underrated?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2014 at 10:19
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

I have a more thought provoking question. Are The Beatles underrated?
Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2014 at 10:44
Originally posted by LSDisease LSDisease wrote:

he is a bit overrated. He's very creative but his ideas go beyond his guitar abilities, so that's the problem.

Agree--plus his limited style keep him in a box.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2014 at 11:35
*re-lol*
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2014 at 12:06
Originally posted by twosteves twosteves wrote:

Originally posted by LSDisease LSDisease wrote:

He is a bit overrated. He's very creative but his ideas go beyond his guitar abilities, so that's the problem.

Agree--plus his limited style keep him in a box.
Eh ... the man incorporated crosspicking into his style; learned from jazz and classical music; invented the New Standard tuning; jumped from psych-jazz-rock on through blues and funk on Earthbound, through dark folk on "Cirkus", through flamenco on "Exiles", through Sabbathy riffs on LTIA and Red, through New Wave-y prog, and that's still not enough? How many more hoops would you like him to jump through?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2014 at 12:09
^ Don't waste your time, dude, Denigration is the secret word here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2014 at 12:18
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by twosteves twosteves wrote:

Originally posted by LSDisease LSDisease wrote:

He is a bit overrated. He's very creative but his ideas go beyond his guitar abilities, so that's the problem.

Agree--plus his limited style keep him in a box.
Eh ... the man incorporated crosspicking into his style; learned from jazz and classical music; invented the New Standard tuning; jumped from psych-jazz-rock on through blues and funk on Earthbound, through dark folk on "Cirkus", through flamenco on "Exiles", through Sabbathy riffs on LTIA and Red, through New Wave-y prog, and that's still not enough? How many more hoops would you like him to jump through?


First explore one to the limit then go for another one. And his articulation is actually pretty poor. It doesn't go smoothly it's rather sloppy. He should learn a bit, like Malmsteen ya know, or Marty Friedman. This plus his original ideas would work.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2014 at 12:40

I've tried overrating him in the past - but failed miserably.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2014 at 12:42
Originally posted by LSDisease LSDisease wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by twosteves twosteves wrote:

Originally posted by LSDisease LSDisease wrote:

He is a bit overrated. He's very creative but his ideas go beyond his guitar abilities, so that's the problem.

Agree--plus his limited style keep him in a box.
Eh ... the man incorporated crosspicking into his style; learned from jazz and classical music; invented the New Standard tuning; jumped from psych-jazz-rock on through blues and funk on Earthbound, through dark folk on "Cirkus", through flamenco on "Exiles", through Sabbathy riffs on LTIA and Red, through New Wave-y prog, and that's still not enough? How many more hoops would you like him to jump through?


First explore one to the limit then go for another one. And his articulation is actually pretty poor. It doesn't go smoothly it's rather sloppy. He should learn a bit, like Malmsteen ya know, or Marty Friedman. This plus his original ideas would work. 

Originally posted by LSDisease LSDisease wrote:

First explore one to the limit then go for another one.
Again, you want him to jump through hoops. Fripp was an explorer of genres on his guitar. Have Malmsteen or Friedman ever committed to that?
Originally posted by LSDisease LSDisease wrote:

And his articulation is actually pretty poor.
Debatable. His articulation is some of the best I've ever heard on a guitar, but hey, you live in your home, I live in mine.
Originally posted by LSDisease LSDisease wrote:

It doesn't go smoothly it's rather sloppy.
Please, listen to "Fracture" ... again.
Originally posted by LSDisease LSDisease wrote:

He should learn a bit, like Malmsteen ya know, or Marty Friedman.
What an arrogant statement. What does he have to learn from them? Speed? Besides, Fripp is a jazz-rock player. He knew no limits.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2014 at 13:04
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

  Again, you want him to jump through hoops. Fripp was an explorer of genres. Have Malmsteen or Friedman ever committed to that?


They were too sober for that, besides they wanted to play really good, they were classically trained.


Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

 Debatable. His articulation is some of the best I've ever heard on a guitar, but hey, you live in your home, I live in mine.


so why his clumsy fingers slip off the strings?

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Please, listen to "Fracture" ... again.

what's so complicated (guitar wise) about it? Rush Power Windows with limited guitar work is ten times more worthy of admiration if we talk about guitar parts (and in general actually) than any Crimson (I admit I love PW but I'm also 100% objective here). Come on man.

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

What an arrogant statement. What does he have to learn from them? Speed? Besides, Fripp is a jazz-rock player. He knew no limits.


everything, from arpeggios to crazy twisted licks played with an extreme precission.

Edited by LSDisease - July 25 2014 at 13:06
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2014 at 13:04
This Malsteem chappy never heard him before - awful. Dead
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2014 at 13:17
Originally posted by LSDisease LSDisease wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Again, you want him to jump through hoops. Fripp was an explorer of genres. Have Malmsteen or Friedman ever committed to that?
They were too sober for that, besides they wanted to play really good, they were classically trained.
So was Fripp. And he studied jazz. And he wanted to play really good too, and it shows in his work. (I don't know what you mean by "too sober".)

Originally posted by LSDisease LSDisease wrote:


Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

 Debatable. His articulation is some of the best I've ever heard on a guitar, but hey, you live in your home, I live in mine.
so why his clumsy fingers slip off the strings?
Where?

Originally posted by LSDisease LSDisease wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Please, listen to "Fracture" ... again.

1) What's so complicated (guitar wise) about it? 2) Rush Power Windows with limited guitar work is ten times more worthy of admiration if we talk about guitar parts (and in general actually) than any Crimson ( (3) I admit I love PW but I'm also 100% objective here). Come on man.
1) Chord structures, execution (not just of arpeggios), whole-tone melodies, composition format, etc.

2) Well, that belongs to you. Your opinion.

3) 100% objective? Can you back that up?

Originally posted by LSDisease LSDisease wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

What an arrogant statement. What does he have to learn from them? Speed? Besides, Fripp is a jazz-rock player. He knew no limits.
everything, from arpeggios to crazy twisted licks played with an extreme precision.
Robert offered plenty of that too. Just listen to LTIA, pt. 1.

Edited by Dayvenkirq - July 25 2014 at 13:19
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2014 at 13:44
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

So was Fripp. And he studied jazz. And he wanted to play really good too, and it shows in his work.


Jazz is overrated as Fripp is. Besides we're talking about articulation, that's something you gotta learn no matter what you play. Fripp wasn't good in that area, his ideas were sometimes outrageous, but without all those instruments used on KC albums everything would be as naked as beatles let it be naked. So if it sounds complicated to you it's not because of Fripp's guitar work.

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:


(I don't know what you mean by "too sober".)


a little joke

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Where?


for example here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aUSOmjbNuQ



Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

3) 100% objective? Can you back that up?


I love PW because of the songs, that's my personal opinion, guitar work on that album is excellent and very precise and that's a fact.

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Robert offered plenty of that too. Just listen to LTIA, pt. 1.


but he doesn't offer this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQQMwDmXjz0
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2014 at 13:46
This question is overrated.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2014 at 13:53
Robert  Fripp Roberrated Geek ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2014 at 14:12
Fripperated!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2014 at 14:21
Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Fripperated!!!

Shoosh! Frip will trademark that and sue you.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2014 at 14:35
-Whether Mr. Fripp is overrated...
No...certainly not...
-Whether this thread is overrated...
Certainly it is...from the number of replies to this thread..
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