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LSDisease
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Posted: July 25 2014 at 10:12 |
he is a bit overrated. He's very creative but his ideas go beyond his guitar abilities, so that's the problem.
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The Doctor
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Posted: July 25 2014 at 10:14 |
I have a more thought provoking question. Are The Beatles underrated?
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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SteveG
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Posted: July 25 2014 at 10:19 |
The Doctor wrote:
I have a more thought provoking question. Are The Beatles underrated? |
Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
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Posted: July 25 2014 at 10:44 |
LSDisease wrote:
he is a bit overrated. He's very creative but his ideas go beyond his guitar abilities, so that's the problem.
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Agree--plus his limited style keep him in a box.
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Posted: July 25 2014 at 11:35 |
*re-lol*
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: July 25 2014 at 12:06 |
twosteves wrote:
LSDisease wrote:
He is a bit overrated. He's very creative but his ideas go beyond his guitar abilities, so that's the problem. |
Agree--plus his limited style keep him in a box. |
Eh ... the man incorporated crosspicking into his style; learned from jazz and classical music; invented the New Standard tuning; jumped from psych-jazz-rock on through blues and funk on Earthbound, through dark folk on "Cirkus", through flamenco on "Exiles", through Sabbathy riffs on LTIA and Red, through New Wave-y prog, and that's still not enough? How many more hoops would you like him to jump through?
Edited by Dayvenkirq - July 25 2014 at 12:12
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Barbu
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Posted: July 25 2014 at 12:09 |
^ Don't waste your time, dude, Denigration is the secret word here.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: July 25 2014 at 12:10 |
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LSDisease
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Posted: July 25 2014 at 12:18 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
twosteves wrote:
LSDisease wrote:
He is a bit overrated. He's very creative but his ideas go beyond his guitar abilities, so that's the problem. |
Agree--plus his limited style keep him in a box. | Eh ... the man incorporated crosspicking into his style; learned from jazz and classical music; invented the New Standard tuning; jumped from psych-jazz-rock on through blues and funk on Earthbound, through dark folk on "Cirkus", through flamenco on "Exiles", through Sabbathy riffs on LTIA and Red, through New Wave-y prog, and that's still not enough? How many more hoops would you like him to jump through?
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First explore one to the limit then go for another one. And his articulation is actually pretty poor. It doesn't go smoothly it's rather sloppy. He should learn a bit, like Malmsteen ya know, or Marty Friedman. This plus his original ideas would work.
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: July 25 2014 at 12:40 |
I've tried overrating him in the past - but failed miserably.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: July 25 2014 at 12:42 |
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LSDisease
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Posted: July 25 2014 at 13:04 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Again, you want him to jump through hoops. Fripp was
an explorer of genres. Have Malmsteen or Friedman ever committed to
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They were too sober for that, besides they wanted to play really good, they were classically trained.
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Debatable. His articulation is some of the best I've ever heard on a guitar, but hey, you live in your home, I live in mine.
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so why his clumsy fingers slip off the strings?
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Please, listen to "Fracture" ... again. |
what's
so complicated (guitar wise) about it? Rush Power Windows with limited
guitar work is ten times more worthy of admiration if we talk about
guitar parts (and in general actually) than any Crimson (I admit I love PW but I'm also 100% objective
here). Come on man.
Dayvenkirq wrote:
What
an arrogant statement. What does he have to learn from them? Speed?
Besides, Fripp is a jazz-rock player. He knew no limits.
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everything, from arpeggios to crazy twisted licks played with an extreme precission.
Edited by LSDisease - July 25 2014 at 13:06
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: July 25 2014 at 13:04 |
This Malsteem chappy never heard him before - awful.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: July 25 2014 at 13:17 |
LSDisease wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Again, you want him to jump through hoops. Fripp was
an explorer of genres. Have Malmsteen or Friedman ever committed to
that? | They were too sober for that, besides they wanted to play really good, they were classically trained. |
So was Fripp. And he studied jazz. And he wanted to play really good too, and it shows in his work. (I don't know what you mean by "too sober".)
LSDisease wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Debatable. His articulation is some of the best I've ever heard on a guitar, but hey, you live in your home, I live in mine.
| so why his clumsy fingers slip off the strings? |
Where?
LSDisease wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Please, listen to "Fracture" ... again. |
1) What's
so complicated (guitar wise) about it? 2) Rush Power Windows with limited
guitar work is ten times more worthy of admiration if we talk about
guitar parts (and in general actually) than any Crimson ( (3) I admit I love PW but I'm also 100% objective
here). Come on man. |
1) Chord structures, execution (not just of arpeggios), whole-tone melodies, composition format, etc.
2) Well, that belongs to you. Your opinion.
3) 100% objective? Can you back that up?
LSDisease wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
What
an arrogant statement. What does he have to learn from them? Speed?
Besides, Fripp is a jazz-rock player. He knew no limits.
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everything, from arpeggios to crazy twisted licks played with an extreme precision. |
Robert offered plenty of that too. Just listen to LTIA, pt. 1.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - July 25 2014 at 13:19
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LSDisease
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Posted: July 25 2014 at 13:44 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
So was Fripp. And he studied jazz. And he wanted to play really good too, and it shows in his work. |
Jazz is overrated as Fripp is. Besides we're talking about articulation, that's something you gotta learn no matter what you play. Fripp wasn't good in that area, his ideas were sometimes outrageous, but without all those instruments used on KC albums everything would be as naked as beatles let it be naked. So if it sounds complicated to you it's not because of Fripp's guitar work.
Dayvenkirq wrote:
(I don't know what you mean by "too sober".) |
a little joke
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Where? |
for example here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aUSOmjbNuQ
Dayvenkirq wrote:
3) 100% objective? Can you back that up?
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I love PW because of the songs, that's my personal opinion, guitar work on that album is excellent and very precise and that's a fact.
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Robert offered plenty of that too. Just listen to LTIA, pt. 1. |
but he doesn't offer this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQQMwDmXjz0
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SteveG
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Posted: July 25 2014 at 13:46 |
This question is overrated.
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hellogoodbye
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Posted: July 25 2014 at 13:53 |
Robert Fripp Roberrated ?
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: July 25 2014 at 14:12 |
Fripperated!!!
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SteveG
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Posted: July 25 2014 at 14:21 |
akamaisondufromage wrote:
Fripperated!!!
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Shoosh! Frip will trademark that and sue you.
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addictedtoprog
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Posted: July 25 2014 at 14:35 |
-Whether Mr. Fripp is overrated...
No...certainly not...
-Whether this thread is overrated...
Certainly it is...from the number of replies to this thread..
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