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richardh
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Posted: June 28 2014 at 01:02 |
My post seventies big five
Marillion Dream Theater Radiohead Porcupine Tree The Mars Volta
this excludes some of my favourite bands (IQ, Muse and Glass Hammer) none of whom have done enough to add to the genre. Marillion have developed and changed. Radiohead are a modern version of King Crimson. Dream Theater .duh of course must be in.Porcupine Tree .. again DUH. The Mars Volta is the most contentious perhaps but they have developed a brand of heavy eclectic prog that is challenging to say the least. They are what prog is about in my eyes.
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HackettFan
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Posted: June 28 2014 at 01:06 |
ultra plinian wrote:
I can't limit "A BIG LIST" to just five bands/artists. It's impossible. You can't list five without severely undermining the importance of the remaining most valuable contributors that's not included. I'd say go with the The BIG 10 of progressive rock bands that established and defined the genre between 1968 and 1978, and even then, you're still leaving out someone vital. I have a hard time not including Van Der Graaf Generator, Gentle Giant, Mahavishnu Orchestra and Mike Oldfield, but clearly you've got to draw a line somewhere. Otherwise, I'd make it 15 and maybe include one of the more obscure bands like Magma and Goblin that were also very influential.
King Crimson
Pink Floyd
Genesis
Yes
Jethro Tull
ELP
Rush
Camel
Frank Zappa et al.
Amon Düül II
As for a MODERN BIG 10 list (bands/artists that began after 1978):
Steven Wilson et al.
Opeth
Spock's Beard
Queensr˙che
Änglagård
Marillion
Dream Theatre
Tool
Riverside
The Flower Kings |
Alright! We've gotten away from the arbitrary number five, but keep in mind ten is an arbitrary number too.
Incidentally, it's self evident that we have to include Big Big Train. Maybe Gentle Giant too. Giants are big.
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2dogs
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Posted: June 29 2014 at 08:47 |
King Manuel wrote:
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ELP
Genesis
King Crimson
Pink Floyd |
After finding this forum I now love at least something by each of these and the list is fine by me. If someone ignorant of prog rock wanted to check it out then these would be great groups to start with to get a feeling for the classic genre. I'd prefer to keep later music derived from or influenced by this separate, which for me includes Rush.
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moshkito
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Posted: June 29 2014 at 10:46 |
Hi,
I was more thinking that it should be the "Big 100 in Progressive Music" and list 100 bands.
This discussion about which _______________ we like or dislike, will never get the music definition and discussion off the ground.
It already feels like the Bud Light commercials of old! But we need to add someone saying that warm beer is better to the commercial, so them Brits don't feel left out!
Edited by moshkito - June 29 2014 at 10:46
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: June 29 2014 at 11:02 |
The big 5 are King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Magma, Can, and Faust
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2dogs
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Posted: June 29 2014 at 11:30 |
Well I do prefer Can and Faust to Genesis and have many more of their albums, but still agree with the OP.
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richardh
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Posted: June 29 2014 at 14:49 |
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
I was more thinking that it should be the "Big 100 in Progressive Music" and list 100 bands.
This discussion about which _______________ we like or dislike, will never get the music definition and discussion off the ground.
It already feels like the Bud Light commercials of old! But we need to add someone saying that warm beer is better to the commercial, so them Brits don't feel left out! |
There is a quite a lot of agreement though on the Big Five although in reality there is an unchallenged 'Big 3':
Yes Genesis King Crimson
then add 2 per taste
Really a TOP 100 could not be more pointless because about 70-80% would be shaped by taste while at the moment there is at least 60% agreement by my reckoning
Also British 'Warm' Beer is the only proper beer. The rest is just piss water
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thwok
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Posted: July 01 2014 at 07:42 |
Ultra pinian, I believe your original top 10 list is practically indisputable. I'm not a fan of ELP, or most of Rush, but one has to recognize their significance. I'd have to include Black Sabbath in my list because of their massive influence on later hard rock/metal bands. However, including them as one of the cornerstones of PROGRESSIVE rock is definitely open to debate. In conclusion, great list fellow newbie!
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Svetonio
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Posted: July 01 2014 at 08:06 |
richardh wrote:
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
I was more thinking that it should be the "Big 100 in Progressive Music" and list 100 bands.
This discussion about which _______________ we like or dislike, will never get the music definition and discussion off the ground.
It already feels like the Bud Light commercials of old! But we need to add someone saying that warm beer is better to the commercial, so them Brits don't feel left out! |
There is a quite a lot of agreement though on the Big Five although in reality there is an unchallenged 'Big 3': Yes Genesis King Crimson (...) |
I agree.
That's true, actually.
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CosmicVibration
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Posted: July 01 2014 at 15:12 |
Yes
Genesis
King Crimson
Gentle Giant
ELP
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: July 01 2014 at 15:18 |
Can Tangerine Dream GonG Hawkwind Amon Duul II
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SteveG
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Posted: July 01 2014 at 15:27 |
akamaisondufromage wrote:
CanTangerine DreamGonGHawkwindAmon Duul II
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Your showing your age AK.
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musitron
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Posted: July 23 2014 at 09:43 |
Big 5???? You mean big 6.
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Posted: July 23 2014 at 21:20 |
Svetonio wrote:
richardh wrote:
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
I was more thinking that it should be the "Big 100 in Progressive Music" and list 100 bands.
This discussion about which _______________ we like or dislike, will never get the music definition and discussion off the ground.
It already feels like the Bud Light commercials of old! But we need to add someone saying that warm beer is better to the commercial, so them Brits don't feel left out! |
There is a quite a lot of agreement though on the Big Five although in reality there is an unchallenged 'Big 3': Yes Genesis King Crimson (...) |
I agree.
That's true, actually. |
If there should be an indisputable Big something, I think it should be Big 4, because as far as I understand, ELP were huge too (though admiteddly I wasn't around yet to say if from experience). Somehow it seems ELP's reputation has declined the most from the 4 bands, but back in the time I guess they might as well have been bigger than King Crimson and Genesis. Still, I insist I would make it a big 6, including Pink Floyd and Jethro Tull.
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addictedtoprog
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Posted: July 23 2014 at 21:29 |
Pink Floyd
Genesis
King Crimson
VDGG
Mike Oldfield
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Dellinger
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Posted: July 24 2014 at 21:49 |
addictedtoprog wrote:
Pink Floyd
Genesis
King Crimson
VDGG
Mike Oldfield |
You might like VDGG more than Yes, Pink Floyd, and Jethro Tull (I assume given you list), but there's no way they were bigger or more succesful than any of those bands (and I do like them a lot too). Mike Oldfield might have been bigger than Yes and/or Jethro Tull, but somehow he is usually left aside when talking about the great prog artists.
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Posted: July 24 2014 at 22:12 |
I like the idea of older prog fans trying to create a post 1980s list This is pretty much in order of how much I've listened to them:
Happy Family Fates Warning Glass Hammer I have to admit I do admire these bands, some I don't listen to much as much anymore, but may in the future. Happy Family I limit to their 2nd LP (they have only two as far as I know).
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Posted: July 24 2014 at 22:19 |
musitron wrote:
Big 5???? You mean big 6. |
Ha! That's a great picture.
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