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Topic: Big Five Proto Prog Bands
Posted: June 26 2014 at 06:17

Imho, Big Five Proto Prog bands were:

Deep Purple

Rare Bird

Colosseum

Procol Harum

Iron Butterfly

Edited by Svetonio - June 26 2014 at 06:19

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Posted: June 26 2014 at 07:16

1. The Moody Blues

2. Those bands

Procol Harum competes but only because of In Held Twas in I.

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Posted: June 26 2014 at 08:39

Svetonio wrote:

Imho, Big Five Proto Prog bands were:

Deep Purple

Rare Bird

Colosseum

Procol Harum

Iron Butterfly

I'd replace the bottom two with The Beatles and The Doors.

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Posted: June 26 2014 at 15:22

Mellotron Storm wrote:

Svetonio wrote:

Imho, Big Five Proto Prog bands were:

Deep Purple

Rare Bird

Colosseum

Procol Harum

Iron Butterfly

I'd replace the bottom two with The Beatles and The Doors.

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Posted: June 26 2014 at 16:23

Is this thread pretty much a replacement for "Your Favorite Proto-Prog Bands?"

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Posted: June 27 2014 at 01:44

^ I suspect it's a knee jerk reaction to the recent Big 5 Prog bands thread:

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=98706

(nothing like a spate of revisionist w.a.n.k. to set my teeth on edge Dead

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Posted: June 27 2014 at 01:58

ExittheLemming wrote:

^ I suspect it's a knee jerk reaction to the recent Big 5 Prog bands thread:

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=98706

(...)

Exactly! I ripped off the idea of BIG FIVE thread where the brilliant second post at the first page is: LOL

Originally posted by Horizons

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Posted: June 27 2014 at 22:46

The Moody Blues, The Doors , and of course The Beatles need to be on any list...all were 3 very influential on other bands.

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Posted: June 27 2014 at 23:19

ExittheLemming wrote:

^ I suspect it's a knee jerk reaction to the recent Big 5 Prog bands thread:

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=98706

(nothing like a spate of revisionist w.a.n.k. to set my teeth on edge Dead

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Yea i was just unsure how someone could exclude bands like The Beatles, The Doors, etc on a list thought to be built on sales/influences/yadadada

But instead put Rare Bird? LOL

I'm also flattered that my not-so-serious post about thinking a band wasn't good enough to be considered Big Five material was mentioned in here. Though i'm sure this thread was doomed since it's creation.

Edited by Horizons - June 27 2014 at 23:20

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Posted: June 28 2014 at 02:42

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Yea i was just unsure how someone could exclude bands like The Beatles, The Doors, etc on a list thought to be built on sales/influences/yadadada

But instead put Rare Bird? LOL

IMO, The Doors were not proto prog. IMO they were a progressive rock band because of the songs as Celebration of the Lizard, The End, People Are Strange and so on. That's why Rare Bird is on my list and The Doors aren't Smile

The Beatles is bad LOL

JokIng aside, The Beatles were IMO Pop Rock, Psychedelic Rock, Rock and Progressive Rock band - 'cause of the single Strawberry Fields Forever / Penny Lane; they aren't a Proto Prog band to my ears.

E.g. those songs are 1960's progressive rock songs IMO:

E.g. those are proto prog songs IMO:

Edited by Svetonio - June 28 2014 at 06:27

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Posted: July 08 2014 at 16:33

The Who

Beatles

Deep Purple

Procol Harum

don't care for anyone else , The Doors especially Sleepy

apparently neither The Moody Blues or Coloseum qualify as 'proto -prog'

I also would have left The Nice where they were as well.

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Posted: July 08 2014 at 17:07

richardh wrote:

apparently neither The Moody Blues or Coloseum qualify as 'proto -prog'

Don't they? Confused

Why's that then?

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Posted: July 09 2014 at 03:59

Beach Boys -   when the evidence is explored there's a strong case they were the first professional band to do what would later be called artrock.

Beatles -   despite America's false starts in fully progressive rock music, these four delivered, always and impeccably-- they did almost everything first; odd meters in rock; infusion of classical and avant-garde motifs; sophisticated and ultra-literate lyrics and themes; multiple songs linked together; and always had something fresh to say.

Clouds -   after further exploring the '66-'71 comp, seems to me they should be PP here, not PR; maybe it's because the first record was '68.

Procol Harum - their influence at the time was probably even bigger than is realized, everyone was listening and being blown away.   The debut is as spectacular now as it ever was.

Frank Zappa - actually I still have yet to have a big Zappa moment myself, but if you listen to some of those boots from '67/68, no doubt he was way ahead of the game.   No one could touch him for ambition and musicality in the late '60s.

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Posted: July 09 2014 at 05:05

^ Clouds was not Proto Prog, their previous incarnation as 1-2-3 was but they never released an album under that name. An encyclopaedia of Prog site would acknowledge 1-2-3 as Proto Prog but as we are a review-site we can only list them as such if they had released something. Clouds first release was 1969, not 1968.

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Posted: July 09 2014 at 14:26

Dean wrote:

richardh wrote:

apparently neither The Moody Blues or Coloseum qualify as 'proto -prog'

Don't they? Confused

Why's that then?

no idea

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Posted: July 09 2014 at 14:42

I guess the first couple of albums from both The Moodies and Colosseum would classify for proto, but I guess they are listed here (in xover and jazz fusion respectively) for what they did later on. I'm not sure though, I wasn't around at the time Embarrassed

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Posted: July 09 2014 at 16:58

richardh wrote:

Dean wrote:

richardh wrote:

apparently neither The Moody Blues or Coloseum qualify as 'proto -prog'

Don't they? Confused

Why's that then?

no idea

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Ah, you mean we list them in Prog subgenres (Xover and JR/F) rather than just Proto Prog. That's not the same as they don't qualify as 'proto-prog'. You included Procol Harum in your Proto Prog list and that confused me because 'apparenty' neither Procol nor Harem qualify as 'proto -prog'.

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Posted: July 09 2014 at 18:48

Dean wrote:

^ Clouds was not Proto Prog, their previous incarnation as 1-2-3 was but they never released an album under that name. An encyclopaedia of Prog site would acknowledge 1-2-3 as Proto Prog but as we are a review-site we can only list them as such if they had released something. Clouds first release was 1969, not 1968.

Sure, 1-2-3 then, my point is they were making proto-progreessive rock as far back as '66/67. But yes, this is not a Encyclopedia.

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Posted: July 09 2014 at 20:20

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Sure, 1-2-3 then, my point is they were making proto-progreessive rock as far back as '66/67. But yes, this is not a Encyclopedia.

Well, actually we don't know 1-2-3 were making proto-prog as far back as 1967 (not '66) because there is only tenuous anecdotal evidence (that appears to have surfaced around 1994) to support it. There are no contemporary accounts from 1967/68 that describe the music they were playing.

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Posted: July 09 2014 at 21:38

Interesting; the retrospective from 2010 includes material from 1967 ("America") and claims to have stuff from '66 ~ presumably at Falkirk's in November ~ but that material doesn't seem to appear on the 2-disc set. Either it's a misprint or a some kind of mix-up.

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