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JD
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Posted: June 24 2014 at 07:50 |
Crazy talk. As others have stated, for the most part, these are the "Originators" of the genre so why would you need to change that? If you feel the need to glorify the modern era artists that have "FOLLOWED" in their footsteps then knock yourself out. You've quoted three decades to pick from, that should tell you something. Even current prog bands run their course, Dream Theatre being an example. They came on strong with some good albums but have fallen into a dull and boring metal sound that has little to nothing to do with progressive music. But that's a discussion for another time.
BTW, to Horizons, ELP is NOT bad. They were without a doubt extremely talented and innovators in the field of music. You obviously just don't like them. Comments like that are useless in a conversation.
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iluvmarillion
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Posted: June 24 2014 at 00:08 |
King Manuel wrote:
There seems to be a general consensus who the so called Big Five of Prog Rock are:
Yes
ELP
Genesis
King Crimson
Pink Floyd
All of them are 70s bands from the glory days of our beloved genre.
With Prog having undergone a big revival, is it maybe time to look at the Big Five again and maybe remove one to be replaced by a group from the 80s,90s or 00s? What is your opinion? Whom would you replace with whom? |
I would maybe take Pink Floyd out and put Tull in, not because Floyd aren't a great band, but because Floyd were only a Psychedelic/ Space Rock band for the brief period when Syd Barrett abdicated and Dave Gilmour established himself in the band. Other than that no argument. Rush didn't establish themselves till the late 70's. Camel, Renaissance, Gentle Giant and VDGG don't quite come up to the other five bands. Neither do Dream Theater, Marillion, Spock's Beard, Porcupine Tree and other more contemporary bands so top five stays as is.
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Posted: June 24 2014 at 00:04 |
The old Big 5:
Il Rovescio Della Medaglia Alex Oriental Experience Kaamos Cardeilhac Musica Urbana
The new Big 5:
Duobetic Homunkulus Flies Are Spies From Hell Amps For Christ Hyrrokkin Bubblemath
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Svetonio
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Posted: June 23 2014 at 22:36 |
Mind_Drive wrote:
i´d probably replace ELP with Tull (...)
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I agree. ELP, formed as a "supergroup" in 1970, were released 7 studio albums in golden decade, and IMO three albums are essential masterpieces of the progressive rock - s/t debut, Tarkus and Trilogy . If you like, add Brain Salad Surgery and that's four.
Jethro Tull in the period from 1968 to 1979 were released 12 studio albums of which at least 8 albums are essential prog masterpieces. Nuff said.
p.s. Also, ELP never released so great live album that can be in comparision with outstanding Bursting Out
Edited by Svetonio - June 23 2014 at 22:45
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progbethyname
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Posted: June 23 2014 at 22:09 |
Some great thoughts all around in this thread so far and I agree with most from what I've read here, although not seeing RUSH as a big 5 has my eye brow raised higher than that of a Mötley Crew's night at the rippers.
In my time and experience through extensive Prog explorations I do have to say that 'Genesis' are the absolute kings of the genre. Just my opinion though.
As far as the 90's and 21st century goes I do think Dream Theater have become a very big household name in the progosphere, and I'm not saying that because I'm a huge fan of their music but mainly because they actually are quite popular and well received....Except here on PA LOL]
Not many Prog bands have sold over 12 million albums, but DT have. That has to say something.
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dr wu23
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Posted: June 23 2014 at 20:58 |
Progosopher wrote:
Everybody is going to have their own Big Five, but these are the clear leaders when it comes to the development of the genre. Tull, Rush, and VDGG should definitely get similar levels of attention for their contributions, which would make a Big Eight. I would be content with that. Maybe add Zappa and make it Nine? No one will ever fill their shoes and have the same impact. These are the bands who created Prog as we know it. Has Prog moved on? Are their great artists who came after? Yes, but it is all built on the foundations of these artists. |
^this
You must have been looking over my shoulder when you wrote that......
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verslibre
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Posted: June 23 2014 at 20:51 |
If I were to replace a band, it would likely be Floyd – replaced by Tull.
ELP must remain. They're too unique. Same with Crimson. Genesis I've never thought of a "symph" band. ELP is classical rock, and the Yes brand of symph is quite different. Floyd became very popular but they're pretty much a glorified psych band, IMO.
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CryoftheCarrots
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Posted: June 23 2014 at 19:53 |
SteveG wrote:
CryoftheCarrots wrote:
Any modern list would have to include Tool. The sheer number of modern prog metal bands that incorporate the Tool sound is proof. | I'm not being cute here, but what exactly is Tool's sound? It's seems like something that went before.
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Tool were influenced by King Crimson but I cant really say I had heard anything like them back in the early 90's when I first heard them.
A bass heavy, complex drum sound/rythm's without neccesarily having soloing guitars is how I would describe Tool's sound. I hear that sound emulated often. Karnivool springs to mind but there are many others.
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Prog_Traveller
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Posted: June 23 2014 at 19:36 |
For all time it would be:
Yes
Pink Floyd
Genesis
King Crimson
ELP
Pretty much no argument.
For the post seventies it would be:
Anglagard
Marillion
Porcupine Tree
Flower Kings
Spock's Beard
I didn't put DT in there because they are prog metal.
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SteveG
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Posted: June 23 2014 at 19:30 |
CryoftheCarrots wrote:
Any modern list would have to include Tool. The sheer number of modern prog metal bands that incorporate the Tool sound is proof. |
I'm not being cute here, but what exactly is Tool's sound? It's seems like something that went before.
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CryoftheCarrots
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Posted: June 23 2014 at 19:09 |
Any modern list would have to include Tool. The sheer number of modern prog metal bands that incorporate the Tool sound is proof.
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Progosopher
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Posted: June 23 2014 at 18:42 |
Everybody is going to have their own Big Five, but these are the clear leaders when it comes to the development of the genre. Tull, Rush, and VDGG should definitely get similar levels of attention for their contributions, which would make a Big Eight. I would be content with that. Maybe add Zappa and make it Nine? No one will ever fill their shoes and have the same impact. These are the bands who created Prog as we know it. Has Prog moved on? Are their great artists who came after? Yes, but it is all built on the foundations of these artists.
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SteveG
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Posted: June 23 2014 at 16:02 |
Horizons wrote:
The Mars VoltaPorcupine Tree Marillion Sigur Ros Dream Theater For modern? |
Sounds good to me.
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Horizons
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Posted: June 23 2014 at 15:59 |
The Mars Volta Porcupine Tree Marillion Sigur Ros Dream Theater
For modern?
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SteveG
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Posted: June 23 2014 at 15:51 |
ProgSword wrote:
IMOPink Floyd Yes ELP Jethro Tull Were the big four based on commercial success. King Crimson was always a niche. The big four last decade was... Dream Theater Porcupine Tree Opeth The Mars Volta Not really sure what this decade's big Proggers are though. I guess Haken is trying to take up that mantle. |
Thanks for the response but I guess what I meant to say who is most popular now in Europe out of the top 5. Probably too hard to say.
Edited by SteveG - June 23 2014 at 15:52
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ProgSword
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Posted: June 23 2014 at 15:41 |
IMO
Pink Floyd Yes ELP Jethro Tull
Were the big four based on commercial success. King Crimson was always a niche.
The big four last decade was...
Dream Theater Porcupine Tree Opeth The Mars Volta
Not really sure what this decade's big Proggers are though. I guess Haken is trying to take up that mantle.
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SteveG
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Posted: June 23 2014 at 15:35 |
octopus-4 wrote:
We should give a better definition to the word "big". In terms of dimensions, Greg Lake is currently one of the biggest (but also the former Camel Doug Ferguson is). |
I'm out of touch with who's popular in Europe right now Luca (from the big five), can you quickly fill me in?
Edited by SteveG - June 23 2014 at 15:37
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SteveG
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Posted: June 23 2014 at 15:30 |
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Big 5 is - Floyd, Crimson, Yes, Genesis & Tull IMHO but thats just my preference for Tull over ELP.
I can't see any of those being ousted by any of the johnny come lately's but if I had to pick some they would include
Radiohead
MUSE
Porcupine Tree
Sigur Ros |
I think I would have to give the nod to PT but they are all good 'recent' groups.
Edited by SteveG - June 23 2014 at 15:31
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octopus-4
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Posted: June 23 2014 at 15:30 |
We should give a better definition to the word "big". In terms of dimensions, Greg Lake is currently one of the biggest (but also the former Camel Doug Ferguson is).
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Posted: June 23 2014 at 15:26 |
Big 5 is - Floyd, Crimson, Yes, Genesis & Tull IMHO but thats just my preference for Tull over ELP.
I can't see any of those being ousted by any of the johnny come lately's but if I had to pick some they would include
Radiohead
MUSE
Porcupine Tree
Sigur Ros
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