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 Posted: June 23 2014 at 15:56 |
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He might be an irritating prat but what amazing skill by Ronaldo with those dragbacks to fool the US defenders. Showboating maybe but hugely entertaining showboating and along with the Tim Cahill goal against Holland the highlight of the tournament so far.
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Yes, that was SO useful for Portugal.
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Posted: June 23 2014 at 15:58 |
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Not watching the game, as Brazil bores me, and I know they'll win in the end. Hope to wake up tomorrow with the hosts out of the tournament. That would be just swell!
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Posted: June 23 2014 at 16:05 |
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^ why don't you watch the Mex Cro game instead?
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Posted: June 23 2014 at 16:15 |
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Cro-Mex is still nil nil. I’m sure Brazil is through now, and that’s a good thing for the tournament.
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Posted: June 23 2014 at 16:21 |
akamaisondufromage wrote:
^ why don't you watch the Mex Cro game instead? |
Nah, those teams bores me a bit as well. Watching a film instead.
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Posted: June 23 2014 at 16:33 |
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2:NIL
MEXICOOOOOOO!
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Posted: June 23 2014 at 16:41 |
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Posted: June 23 2014 at 16:42 |
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Mexico need one more goal to be top of group!
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Posted: June 23 2014 at 16:44 |
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That was fast! I had a smoke and talked to my wife, and suddenly Mexico had scored three … and while I was writing this, I heard a roar from the TV and rushed in to see that Brazil had scored their fourth.
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Posted: June 23 2014 at 19:23 |
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Great performances by Mexico & Holland today. Good stuff.
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Posted: June 24 2014 at 05:11 |
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Great grab for goals between Brasil and Mexico. That's how final group games should be played!
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Posted: June 24 2014 at 05:50 |
Kotro wrote:
Great grab for goals between Brasil and Mexico. That's how final group games should be played! |
Couldn’t agree more. They could both have gone for a draw like too many teams do. I’m talking about you, Italy!
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Posted: June 24 2014 at 06:01 |
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The Socceroos got their pouches picked by a 2nd string Spain who could
have won by 5 or 6 all told. Brave and battling display is de rigueur for
the Aussies but they are so lacking in composed guile (the aging
Bresciano and absent Cahill aside) and basic technique they often
reminded me of (gulp) Scotland when we were on the cusp of mediocrity
circa 1978.I just hope this result serves as some sort of wake up call
to some of the hyperbole being peddled back home. Three games, three
DEFEATS, NINE goals conceded - nothing to write home about. Funny thing
is that the domestic game in Australia still betrays its origins as
being built on British coaching ideas and we all know how successful
they've been down the years. Similar to Scottish, English, Welsh and
Irish players, the Australians have great athleticism, stamina, running
power, strength, team spirit and determination. Guess what? so now do
our global rivals and they also have the trump card of superior
technique wedded to a disciplined approach to what they consider their 'job' and our players consider a 'paid hobby'
In
the aftermath of England's failure to get past the group stage there
have been the usual raft of hand wringing and soul searching undertaken
by a stricken media. Many are of the opinion that the cosmopolitan
nature of the EPL is at the root of the problem i.e. we don't produce
sufficient numbers of quality young English players because they are not
given game time due to the influx of foreigners. This line of reasoning
also posits that such is the pressure to avoid relegation or clinch
entry to a European competition each season, club managers are loathe to
gamble their very job security on untried and untested home grown
youngsters. The game's governing bodies have attempted various measures
over the years to address this issue e.g. minimum quotas of home
produced players (not necessarily indigenous) must be part of a club's
seasonal roster, transfer fees to carry a 'selling on portion' paid to
the original club who put the player through their academy system etc.
The danger here is that such controls are bound to be challenged in the
courts as potentially contravening employment and labour laws. When push
comes to shove, the civil courts will always override perfectly
reasonable but not legally binding regulations laid down by FIFA for the
betterment of a game being sucked dry by those whose clients no longer
have any need of paid employment after either their voluntary retirement
or that necessitated by injury.
Cut to the chase: I honestly believe that International football will be dead in the water as soon as an influential club side successfully sues a national association for the wages it paid to a player injured while on international duty. For some of the smaller national associations, the payout for a top player will be sufficient to bankrupt them forever. Ten years from now, we wont be watching England v Germany but the English Premier League XI v the German Bundesliga XI for a place in the World Cup. (and I think that's pretty sad)
Edited by ExittheLemming - June 24 2014 at 06:11
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Posted: June 24 2014 at 08:32 |
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I don’t know about the Socceroos, but the English players can blame
themselves. The George Best Syndrom (spending more time at the pub than
on the training field) seems to ruin their best players, like Gazza and
Rooney.
Fun fact: Nine of the Costa Rican players have been or are still playing in Norway.
Now to Group C. The worst-case scenario:
1. Colombia beats Japan 3-2 after a very entertaining and exciting match.
2. Greece beats Côte d'Ivoire 1-0 after a really boring match with a lucky goal in the 89th minute.
I really would prefer that Greece loses the match 2-3 after proving that they really can play football. So far they haven’t.
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Posted: June 24 2014 at 09:30 |
ExittheLemming wrote:
The Socceroos got their pouches picked by a 2nd string Spain who could
have won by 5 or 6 all told. Brave and battling display is de rigueur for
the Aussies but they are so lacking in composed guile (the aging
Bresciano and absent Cahill aside) and basic technique they often
reminded me of (gulp) Scotland when we were on the cusp of mediocrity
circa 1978.I just hope this result serves as some sort of wake up call
to some of the hyperbole being peddled back home. Three games, three
DEFEATS, NINE goals conceded - nothing to write home about. Funny thing
is that the domestic game in Australia still betrays its origins as
being built on British coaching ideas and we all know how successful
they've been down the years. Similar to Scottish, English, Welsh and
Irish players, the Australians have great athleticism, stamina, running
power, strength, team spirit and determination. Guess what? so now do
our global rivals and they also have the trump card of superior
technique wedded to a disciplined approach to what they consider their 'job' and our players consider a 'paid hobby'
In
the aftermath of England's failure to get past the group stage there
have been the usual raft of hand wringing and soul searching undertaken
by a stricken media. Many are of the opinion that the cosmopolitan
nature of the EPL is at the root of the problem i.e. we don't produce
sufficient numbers of quality young English players because they are not
given game time due to the influx of foreigners. This line of reasoning
also posits that such is the pressure to avoid relegation or clinch
entry to a European competition each season, club managers are loathe to
gamble their very job security on untried and untested home grown
youngsters. The game's governing bodies have attempted various measures
over the years to address this issue e.g. minimum quotas of home
produced players (not necessarily indigenous) must be part of a club's
seasonal roster, transfer fees to carry a 'selling on portion' paid to
the original club who put the player through their academy system etc.
The danger here is that such controls are bound to be challenged in the
courts as potentially contravening employment and labour laws. When push
comes to shove, the civil courts will always override perfectly
reasonable but not legally binding regulations laid down by FIFA for the
betterment of a game being sucked dry by those whose clients no longer
have any need of paid employment after either their voluntary retirement
or that necessitated by injury.
Cut to the chase: I honestly believe that International football will be dead in the water as soon as an influential club side successfully sues a national association for the wages it paid to a player injured while on international duty. For some of the smaller national associations, the payout for a top player will be sufficient to bankrupt them forever. Ten years from now, we wont be watching England v Germany but the English Premier League XI v the German Bundesliga XI for a place in the World Cup. (and I think that's pretty sad)
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Good point about the OZ and
quite true that it’s seen as a paid hobby.
As far as England is
concerned, while the influx of foreign players has made the EPL the top league
(I still remember how hard it was to watch European football on Canadian TV in
the 80s ! (Soccer Saturday, it was called. GULP!) . But since 1966, England has wallowed
in semi-mediocrity and even when their domestic league was 90% British, it
still sucked on the international level. As good a British players (Scots,
Irish and Welsh) are, they somehow have little or no team chemistry, as defined
by the England teams of the 80s, 90s, and recently. In my opinion, the hiring
of legendary coaches that have no clue how to define attacking football, the
simply dour Eriksson, the Fabio Capello snorefest (yeah, 2014 Russia), and
Bobby Robson (nice man but great strategist?, no) , as well as deeply weighed
down by horrible British association politics . Add the ‘turnip’ Graham Taylor,
the Hoddle experiment, the Venables/Wilkinson/Keegan merry-go-round debacle. Not
exactly Sir Alex, eh?!
In my
opinion, the British style of football is better suited to non–British players
(the entertainingly successful EPL being the proof) and that only a positive attacking-minded, rushing
but solid defence , great goaltender national team can be put together with
British players led by a genial mind . Sorry but in the EPL today, there is not
too many local candidates (maybe Brendan Rodgers) as most EPL managers are
foreigners anyway.
Find a smart, spirited and
creative manager and England will soar, the talent is there, the problem is the
inter-player chemistry that cries out for leadership.
Imagine Big Phil Scolari
leading the current England squad and I bet you a Rio carnival that it would be
quite entertaining as well as successful.
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Posted: June 24 2014 at 09:32 |
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Posted: June 24 2014 at 10:41 |
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Italy vs Uruguay. Should be very interesting... Any predictions?
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Posted: June 24 2014 at 10:48 |
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A country starting in a vowel will win.
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Posted: June 24 2014 at 11:00 |
King of Loss wrote:
Italy vs Uruguay. Should be very interesting... Any predictions? |
1-1. Maybe 2-1 to Italy. They always seem to scrape through.
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Posted: June 24 2014 at 11:50 |
King of Loss wrote:
Italy vs Uruguay. Should be very interesting... Any predictions? |
A country starting in a capital letter and ending in a Y will win!
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