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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2014 at 22:57
Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Maybe June is the start of the Summer season - why would there be a snowflake in Summer, and why is it evil ?? Surely Banks wouldn't be sitting there, pen in hand, thinking "now how can I word sexual references subliminally??" C'mon, these comparisons are really preposterous.

Before I went into linguistics I got my Bachelor's in Fine Arts. It was actually a common practice for artists to intentionally incorporate phallic symbols into artwork precisely because of prior far-fetched analyses. It was quite a conscious effort and a little joke on those who want to read an artist's subconscious. I could see Banks being of a mind to intentionally burying sexual references. Whether he actually did here... And whether it was done through the whole album... Well, it seems far-fetched to me too.
References? Sure. A concept album about virginity? Well...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2014 at 05:49
Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

 
 I have no idea what "crosses are green/crosses are blue" means, but I don't know how that would indicate anything sexual.


"On your left and on your right 
Crosses are green and crosses are blue 
Your friends didn't make it through."

 

It's obvious, it's a references to ejaculating early or going the distance and still not satisfying the harlot in the tail. 

Green for go, blue for blue balls. 

Left & right/crosses may be vague symbolisations of balls and the penis/balls combo or a term for sex I can link. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2014 at 05:58
Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Maybe June is the start of the Summer season - why would there be a snowflake in Summer, and why is it evil ?? Surely Banks wouldn't be sitting there, pen in hand, thinking "now how can I word sexual references subliminally??" C'mon, these comparisons are really preposterous.

Before I went into linguistics I got my Bachelor's in Fine Arts. It was actually a common practice for artists to intentionally incorporate phallic symbols into artwork precisely because of prior far-fetched analyses. It was quite a conscious effort and a little joke on those who want to read an artist's subconscious. I could see Banks being of a mind to intentionally burying sexual references. Whether he actually did here... And whether it was done through the whole album... Well, it seems far-fetched to me too.
References? Sure. A concept album about virginity? Well...

After more analysis I think it's more an album about sexual goals. 

Seems pretty obvious at times, especially when you consider the trick, tail elements and the fact the previous album wasn't about Rael but Gabriel himself and the last song Los Endos is a tribute to Gabriel.

All seems elementary. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2014 at 07:41
Really don't think any of this is true... You can find tons of these sorts of references on any album, practically song, if you want. Just pick out a random song that has lyrics that can be interpreted in many ways (i.e. just about every Genesis song) and I'm sure you'll find a few.

Edited by Xonty - June 01 2014 at 07:41
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2014 at 08:38
This thread is hilarious! I understand now that I’ve been misinterpreting the lyrics all the time. I thought Dance … was about carreering, Mad … was about how you always feel that what you don’t have is better than what you have, and that Ripples was about aging (btw, "The face that launched a thousand ships" is a famous quote by Christopher Marlowe, and it refers to Helen of Troy: "Was this the face that launch'd a thousand ships, / And burnt the topless towers of Ilium.").

I don’t think Robbery … is more than an attempt to write a witty Gabrielesque song in the vein of The Battle of Epping Forest. They even have a musical quote from Battle … : The lines

Amidst the battle roar, accountants keep the score

and

He's leaving via the roof, the b*****d’s got away

have the same melody.

But by all means, go on and find more sexual imagery. It’s good fun. Smile
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I say nothing is nothing
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2014 at 10:04
A Trick Of The Tail all about 'masturbation'.....who would have thought ? I can't wait to hear what Wind And Wuthering is all about.
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Frankly I never really cared much for Collin's lyrics or whoever wrote them post Gabriel...and after Wind I stopped buying Genesis albums anyway.
A just for fun thread indeed.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2014 at 12:03
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

A Trick Of The Tail all about 'masturbation'.....who would have thought ? I can't wait to hear what Wind And Wuthering is all about.
Wink
Frankly I never really cared much for Collin's lyrics or whoever wrote them post Gabriel...and after Wind I stopped buying Genesis albums anyway.
A just for fun thread indeed.
 
 


That’s easy. It’s about farting:

Whose seen the wind not you or I,
But when the ship moves she's passing by.

He say nothing is quite what it seems;
I say nothing is nothing
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2014 at 13:32
Basically wind and Wuthering is a follow up, almost a double album in the mould of Kid A/Amnesiac. It picks up the theme of sexual goals and mishaps. 

"The signpost says inside me, let me bear your heavy load."

"Then comes this monster mouse"




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2014 at 13:36
All in a mouses night is about a man going out for sex with a lady of the night but he ejaculates during oral sex. 'Mouse' and 'cat' are euphemisms. 

Pink Floyd used recurring themes in their albums that centered around mental illness or war. Most Genesis tracks revolved around sex or mythical tales. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2014 at 13:47
Now you're just being annoying. 
Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2014 at 13:52
Genesis not me, the Musical Box tackles Paedophilia. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2014 at 14:05
The palpitating cherry-red organ was returned to its rightful place and began to beat faster as it led our hero, counting out time, through his first romantic encounter. 

Counting out time has been linked to sex and masturbation by many music reviewers down the years. I'm not so sure though. 

Obviously Lilywhite Lilith is a song about a prostitute. 

"Lilywhite Lilith,
She gonna take you thru' the tunnel of night"

"I can hear a whirring sound growing near.
I can see the corner of the tunnel,
Lit up by whatever's coming here.
Two golden globes float into the room
And a blaze of white light fills the air."

Growing refers to a swelling penis making repetitive rubbing noises, seeing the corner of the tunnel is Rael watching it go in, lit up mean getting moist by Rael's increasing strokes, two golden globes floating means the tightening of the nuts and the last line is elementary. 




Edited by Matthew _Gill - June 01 2014 at 14:19
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2014 at 14:29
The Lamia is one of the most sexual songs I've ever listened to, it symbolises a very sensual orgy. 

Look at this for a song opening:

"The scent grows richer, he knows he must be near,
He finds a long passageway lit by chandelier.
Each step he takes, the perfumes change
From familiar fragrance to flavors strange.
A magnificent chamber meets his eye."

Obviously performing oral on a female. 'Chamber,' 'passageway' and 'room' are all euphemisms

"Inside, a long rose-water pool is shrouded by fine mist.
Stepping in the moist silence, with a warm breeze he's gently kissed."

Obviously she's moist from Rael stepping it up and after a soft kiss he's ready to penetrate her

"Thinking he is quite alone,
He enters the room, as if it were his own,"

I think this means he's comfortable and is getting carried away

"But ripples on the sweet pink water
Reveal some company unthought of..." oh oh, more female company, Rael senses it via a tightening or increased moistness!!!!

Hmm wonder if the song Ripples is a nod to this in the longing/wistful sense..


Edited by Matthew _Gill - June 01 2014 at 14:39
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2014 at 14:38
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I agree with the Belgian moog, so I moved this to just for fun:-)

Yeah, Freudian slumbers shouldn't be taken too seriously.
Often they're empty of sound.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2014 at 14:44
Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I agree with the Belgian moog, so I moved this to just for fun:-)

Yeah, Freudian slumbers shouldn't be taken too seriously.
Often they're empty of sound.

Sometimes I look at the Genesis lads of 75 and think, yeah, they aren't sleeping with many groupies. They aren't slipping it into the nectar.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2014 at 14:51
It

The Lamb Finishes with a track called It that seemingly declares sex as the be all and end all, the meaning of life. 

"When it's cold, it comes slow
It is warm, just watch it grow
All around me
It is here, it is now

Just a little bit of it can bring you up or down
Like the supper it is cooking in your hometown
It is chicken, it is eggs, it is in between your legs
It is walking on the moon, leaving your cocoon"

The first two lines describe a penis' reaction to temperature. 

Though all this has been ascertained from the serendipity of realising an album title's trick name the salacious side of the band is explicitly obvious when you break Genesis down and get in their collective head. 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2014 at 01:24
Yep, I don't think there's any doubt about the Lamb. And I think it was all quite intentional on the part of Gabriel.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2014 at 02:32
Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

Yep, I don't think there's any doubt about the Lamb. And I think it was all quite intentional on the part of Gabriel.

Exactly
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2014 at 02:46
The Fountain Of Salmacis is a good one to analyse.....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2014 at 04:21
"The creature crawled into the lake."

Is that possible?
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