Ukraine

Blacksword wrote: ^^^ The idea of a global currency was discussed at the 2009 G20 summit, and was published online in their minutes of that meeting. It's not a fait accompli though. There's too much global resistence to it from those who hold on to the idea of nation states, rather than a global community.

In all of this, Obama's pacifism will be the casualty.  In principle, he is right not to want a war because wars never end well.  But the problem is the Allies were supposed to protect Ukraine from exactly such intrusions in return for Ukraine giving up their nuclear weapons.  So they are not keeping their end of the bargain.  And the knowledge that they may not will only embolden Putin.  The only 'saving grace' is he doesn't seem to be a crazed fanatic like Hitler.  He is just a cold blooded, calculating dictator moving coins on a chess board one at a time.  He is trying to gain as much of an upper hand as he can without getting into too much trouble.  But if he gets too confident, too cocksure of his ability to derive said advantage, we are going to have a massive problem on our hands, a WW III for sure.

rogerthat wrote: In all of this, Obama's pacifism will be the casualty.  In principle, he is right not to want a war because wars never end well.  But the problem is the Allies were supposed to protect Ukraine from exactly such intrusions in return for Ukraine giving up their nuclear weapons.  So they are not keeping their end of the bargain.  And the knowledge that they may not will only embolden Putin.  The only 'saving grace' is he doesn't seem to be a crazed fanatic like Hitler.  He is just a cold blooded, calculating dictator moving coins on a chess board one at a time.  He is trying to gain as much of an upper hand as he can without getting into too much trouble.  But if he gets too confident, too cocksure of his ability to derive said advantage, we are going to have a massive problem on our hands, a WW III for sure.

King of Loss wrote: rogerthat wrote: In all of this, Obama's pacifism will be the casualty.  In principle, he is right not to want a war because wars never end well.  But the problem is the Allies were supposed to protect Ukraine from exactly such intrusions in return for Ukraine giving up their nuclear weapons.  So they are not keeping their end of the bargain.  And the knowledge that they may not will only embolden Putin.  The only 'saving grace' is he doesn't seem to be a crazed fanatic like Hitler.  He is just a cold blooded, calculating dictator moving coins on a chess board one at a time.  He is trying to gain as much of an upper hand as he can without getting into too much trouble.  But if he gets too confident, too cocksure of his ability to derive said advantage, we are going to have a massive problem on our hands, a WW III for sure. I wouldn't go that far... Read less of the bankers' propaganda...The Ukrainian "Euro-Maidan" was definitely not organized and funded by US NGOs? The situation is much more complex than simple Western democracies vs a Russian tyrant. Putin is not a dictator, he's a Tsar. Mind you Russia is not Iraq, it's the largest country by landmass in the world..., I don't think this will be pretty in the end...

Blacksword wrote: King of Loss wrote: Blacksword wrote: ^^^ The idea of a global currency was discussed at the 2009 G20 summit, and was published online in their minutes of that meeting. It's not a fait accompli though. There's too much global resistence to it from those who hold on to the idea of nation states, rather than a global community. But the bankers have so much power! We don't know if Putin is in bed with them, but I think otherwise cause their owned media is very much anti-Putin...We little guys will just sit around and observe what happens... It's interesting to think that our elites will just share the resources and the cheap labor without a lot of wars and conflicts....Greed has no end. We are back to the days where there is a clear divide between what Russia and the west want. This time it's not ideological. It's two forms of capitalism gong head to head. China is the duplicitous party; striking energey deals with Russia which may successfully mitigate the effects of many western sanctions on the Russian economy, while propping up the US economy by selling it's cheap goods over there..and owning a significant chunk of US debt, of course.. Russia wants its own 'new world order' on it's own terms. It would comprise similar economic models to that of the west, but they just don't want the US in charge of it. IMO

Edited by King of Loss - June 02 2014 at 16:52

yoshida wrote: dudes, Putin is in full isolation in UN. He lost true vision of reality. He is a KGB guy who never cares about prosperity and personal freedom. He can't give nothing positive to the world around.

Does he really care about being isolated diplomatically? He still has plenty of economic allies, notably China and the other BRICS nations. He has just signed a deal with China for the supply of gas which will likely mitigate any impotent western sanctions thrown at him. The Kremlin is also considering ban on GMO's in Russia which would seriously dent the profits of western Agrochemical companies like Monsanto, Bayer et al..and while the west glorifies abortion and urges population control, Putin is encouraging Russians to get breeding. He fancies an honest shot at world domination and to be frank all there is to stop him is nuclear weapons. Economic sanctions will have negligable effect.

The west will need to do a deal with Russia at some point and concede some of Eastern Europe back to their sphere of influence. The further and quicker the EU goes down the toilet, the better proposition Russia will appear to be to former Soviet states in east Europe. Their people will look at whats happening in Ukraine, specifically the successfull re-claiming of Crimea and start asking questions about their own national identity and the validity of membership to the EU which appears to be facing an upheaval in light of a rise of the far right, terrible austerity and mass unemployment in the south. Interesting times.

"Russia has a really big plagiarism problem. So many businessmen, academics and high-ranking government officials — President Vladimir Putin included — have been found to have plagiarized their college and doctoral theses that Russia’s education minister just denounced the revelations, saying they were hurting Russia’s reputation.

“People not versed in this topic will get the idea that all academics are cheats and liars,” Education and Science Minister Dmitry Livanov just told the Kommersant newspaper, according to a Russian news agency. ”It’s a severe reputational problem for Russian science.” 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/03/18/russias-plagiarism-problem-even-putin-has-done-it/

Btw, it's a same thing now with Serbia's "elite" national-chauvinistic politicians who were "graduated" during '90s

Let's see... if it involves the UN then maybe they will make a very STRONG announcement and following that a DIRE warning and then condemn the whole thing before they go home.


Edited by aapatsos - August 05 2014 at 16:24