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sukmytoe ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 18 2013 Location: South Africa Status: Offline Points: 291 |
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For me it is Black Sabbath all the way. I wasn't into King Crimson at all back then, was more of a Black Sabbath, Grand Funk Railroad, Uriah Heep man. The Sabs released six classic albums in a row, the next two were way weaker than the first six however there are moments of magic on those two albums as well. Fripp vs Iommi? - Iommi is the riff meister. Tons of respect for Iommi for battling on through the damage to his hand and still becoming a guitar legend. One wonders what would have happened had Iommi not damaged his hand and accordingly played with a guitar that was tuned down - a whole spectrum of music may not exist today possibly.
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VOTOMS ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 18 2013 Location: KOBAIA Status: Offline Points: 1420 |
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Sabbath is cool but no way. ITCOCK wins easily.
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ProgMetaller2112 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 08 2012 Location: Pacoima,CA,USA Status: Offline Points: 3145 |
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Black Sabbath
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
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Xonty ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 23 2013 Location: Cornwall Status: Offline Points: 1759 |
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The Court for me, but I love Black Sabbath's debut - SO influential, probably more so than King Crimson's
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Tom Ozric ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 03 2005 Location: Olympus Mons Status: Offline Points: 15926 |
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Agi, you do make it rather difficult, but the 'both' option is there so thanks !!
Ha - forgot I already voted in this poll ![]() Edited by Tom Ozric - January 02 2014 at 23:12 |
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Sagichim ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 29 2006 Location: Israel Status: Offline Points: 6632 |
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I think The Court is overall better but they were both very influential albums so I vote both.
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Utnapishtim ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 15 2013 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 260 |
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King Crimson without no compare. More actual as Guldbamsen said.
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GhostPony750 ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: December 24 2013 Location: Somewhere Status: Offline Points: 25 |
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For me it's without any doubts ITCOCK. Every single songs are good in this album, it's amazing. "I Talk to the Wind" is probably the best one here.
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ProgMetaller2112 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 08 2012 Location: Pacoima,CA,USA Status: Offline Points: 3145 |
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![]() Edited by ProgMetaller2112 - January 05 2014 at 00:59 |
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
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TODDLER ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: August 28 2009 Location: Vineland, N.J. Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
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In the Court of the Crimson King is like sequences to a short film. It begins with the thriller affect on Schzoid Man then enters into this dramatic sequence with I Talk to the Wind, Epitaph, and Moonchild....closing with a kind of mysterious piece which is the title track and it sort leaves you hanging and wondering. It's bewitching. It's very luring like your being put under a spell. Fripp always had some interest in the occult. It was more evident on S.A.B.B. , but still very present on the early albums. They were intense in that way. Musically they had a Jazz mentality in the department of gymnastics and Classical background. There overall package was dark and mysterious.
First Black Sabbath album contained a Rock guitar sound that Iommi took from an original idea/concept and pushed it further , creating a louder volume level and a whole new sound. One that Ritchie Blackmore had not exactly ventured into prior to Sabbath existing. Originally the band Blue Cheer were experimenting with this hard driven edgy , noisy , distorted guitar sound when they were stuck in the late 60's ...with almost everyone else playing a more calm, toned down, Psychedelic guitar sound...with the exception of Hendrix, Townshend, and Clapton's heavy tone on Cream Live Vol.1, most psychedelic guitarists were more toned down than that level of volume. Townshend came close to creating a metal sound on Live at Leeds, but Blue Cheer created a darker sound/style with massive volume that sounded pre-metal...such as the intro to "Summertime Blues". It's metal all the way with it's distinctive tri-tone (Devil's Interval) chord change and just the overall sound of what they produce is not Psychedelic and it was 1968. .Blue Cheer wanted and tried to create that more "Heavy Metal" sound in the Psychedelic days. Iommi took that idea steps further...but it wasn't like he had read what other's had done or attempted...because he really crafted a new sound from the idea . The lyrical content of the album contained warnings about things in life that were evil. The lyrics gave you messages on how to deal with evil. Evil was a important issue with the youth then..because of fads designed around witchcraft. There are warnings on Master of Reality. When the band first toured America....they offended the older generation with their image/music/lyrics. In 1971...the staff in high school seemed to react harshly towards kids ...stating that Black Sabbath were a threat ![]() Edited by TODDLER - January 06 2014 at 12:45 |
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Icarium ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: March 21 2008 Location: Tigerstaden Status: Offline Points: 34055 |
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Dellinger ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: June 18 2009 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 12768 |
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Crimson's album, easily. I just love it, while Sabbath's album has some really cool songs, but many others I don't care so much about. Plus, in a way Crimson even beat Sabbath on the metal thing with "Schizoid Man" (though later live versions of that song would be heavier and more guitar oriented).
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uduwudu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 17 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2601 |
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The classic Prock rock album versus the album that made metal. Both with those long solos that make sense (it took ages for Moonchild's to grip with me unlike Warning)... thankfully we have the both option.
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charles_ryder ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 15 2014 Location: St.Petersburg Status: Offline Points: 173 |
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As for me, Black Sabbath was more progressive album than In the Court of the Crimson King.
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om mani padme hum
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Kentucky_Hawkwindage ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 15 2014 Location: Hardinsburg,Ky Status: Offline Points: 733 |
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Black Sabbath for me.
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"Nobody's Gonna Change My World That's Something To Unreal" Lyrics that i live my life by-from Black Sabbath's Technical Ecstasy's track You Won't Change Me
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Kirillov ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 03 2011 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 700 |
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Gone for 'both' because I really can't choose!
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Mirror Image ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 13 2011 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2111 |
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In the Court of the Crimson King any day of the week. I don't care anything about Black Sabbath.
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“Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov
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Kashmir75 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 25 2009 Status: Offline Points: 1029 |
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The first prog album and the first metal album. Both very important. I vote for both.
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Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while...
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20616 |
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Q. What came first, the chicken or the road it crossed? King Crimson.
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HemispheresOfXanadu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 28 2012 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 4339 |
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In the Court for me. Got into music through classic prog outfits, so they still tend to trump everything in my books.
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