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Dean
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Posted: April 27 2014 at 08:17 | |||
Different stories for different parts of the world. We didn't have the instantaneous global communications to normalise these things, the spread of music and terminology was far more sedate. For example Sweden's music scene was practically unknown in the UK at that time (aside from Bo Hansson perhaps...)
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Svetonio
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Posted: April 27 2014 at 08:20 | |||
I never heard (read) in 70s about Uriah Heep as progressive rock band, although Yugoslav rock critics did do a lot "copy/paste" lifting from British rock articles at that time. And as I said, I saw them live in 1979 and they were advertized in town as "hard rock" band. I remember also that in crowd at the concert nobody mentioned that the Uriah Heep is the progressive rock band; everybody come to see an exciting hard rock band. Although I agree that Uriah Heep deserved to be in PA heavy prog rock section, they were considered as a hard rock band in 70s. I don't care what an internet article say. Edited by Svetonio - April 27 2014 at 08:23 |
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Dean
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Posted: April 27 2014 at 08:28 | |||
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Svetonio
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Posted: April 27 2014 at 09:58 | |||
^ I was wrong, it was in 1977, but nevermind because it still to be five years after the item you post. It is really nice to see that someone from NME called UH prog in 1972.
However, based on what I heard at Belgrade's 1977 concert, it was much more hard(er) rock sound than on their vinyls. As they were in Yugoslavia for the first time then, they were playing all of their triggers, and it was hard rock, & very loud. Edited by Svetonio - April 27 2014 at 10:02 |
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Andrea Cortese
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Posted: April 27 2014 at 10:52 | |||
From the italian version of the Logan-Woffinden Rock Encyclopedia:
Uriah Heep: "one of the many bands that plagiarized without shame the heavy metal trail of Led Zeppelin. Though with the hostilityohf the whole rock critic the band made its debut in 1970..." well... wow |
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Dean
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Posted: April 27 2014 at 11:42 | |||
As I have tried to point out, that was somewhat irrelevant. I also saw them in 1977 with Lawton and they were nothing like the Heep of the early 70s (ie from Very 'Eavy through to Return to Fantasy) when they were harder to pigeon-hole with your comfortable little tag of "hard rock" (the UK term was heavy rock btw, Heep did not call their début album Very 'Aard... Very 'Umble).
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Svetonio
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Posted: April 27 2014 at 13:33 | |||
Both film and music are from '77 but from different concerts (film is made at concert in Fayetteville, NC, USA, 1977).
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Dellinger
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Posted: April 27 2014 at 14:16 | |||
I find it a bit strange to read about this kind of hostility towards UH. I only just got the "Magician's Birthday" album, and so far it's the only one I've heard, but I found some really beautiful songs on it, and I really liked Byron's singing, I can't imagine anyone being bothered by his voice, I find it just beautiful, one of the better aspects of the band.
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dr wu23
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Posted: April 27 2014 at 14:42 | |||
I agree with you for the most part , and I bought the first album when it came out in 1970.....Byron is not a 'bad' singer and their music is not that bad at all ......though I did stop buying them after Magicians Birthday.
I prolly should listen to those that came out in the rest of the 70's.
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Andrea Cortese
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Posted: April 27 2014 at 14:44 | |||
Again from the Logan-Woffinden book: majority of critics said John Wetton joined the band in 1975 only for the money.
...well couldn't it be for the Heep music, could it? Edited by Andrea Cortese - April 27 2014 at 14:47 |
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dr wu23
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Posted: April 27 2014 at 15:44 | |||
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Andrea Cortese
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Posted: April 27 2014 at 16:01 | |||
At least critics were coherent: Given that the music wasn't respectable enough one had to join only for the almighty dollar! Ahahah
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NotAProghead
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Posted: April 27 2014 at 17:52 | |||
^ Are you sure?
John Wetton:
"In King Crimson, I'd been playing the the most ridiculously complicated rock music in strange time signatures. Uriah Heep offered me a refreshing break from that. I could just be myself, have some fun and play some really strong rock music. The reason [I joined] was definitely not for money. At that time, Roxy Music were offering me the same money as Uriah Heep , if not more, I just didn't want to stay in Roxy Music." (From Dave Ling's "Wizards and Demons") |
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: April 27 2014 at 20:03 | |||
Same here, stopped after Magician's Birthday [EDIT: Check that, the last UH album I bought was Sweet Freedom with the single "Stealin'"]. And you probably shouldn't waste your time listening to what came after -- having listened meself, it's not at all like what preceded it.. Just a friendly suggestion.
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ole-the-first
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Posted: April 27 2014 at 20:30 | |||
I think that Wonderworld is a very underrated album, I always place it over 'The Magician's Birthday'. It doesn't contain any epics, but it surely has a bunch of great songs with excellent melodies and cool riffs, as well as distinctive dark atmosphere. Perhaps, this is the most atmospheric album from Uriah Heep.
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Chris S
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Posted: April 27 2014 at 20:40 | |||
Great band in the early 70's. IMHO High & Mighty was their last good album and the double live set from 1973(?) was incredible. I don't know what it is but for me I could never really separate the rock n roll element from their rock
But albums like Salisbury, Demons & Wizards and July Morning ( especially from the live album) are exceptional. Actually side four of the live album doesn't do it for me either. Rock n roll prog rock morphing into glam rock late 70's.
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Chris S
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Posted: April 27 2014 at 20:41 | |||
Yeah they made this album mostly in Germany under pressure from the record company. Apparently Byron really struggled to make the studio sessions. Dark time.
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King Crimson776
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Posted: April 27 2014 at 22:25 | |||
Heep is pretty bad. Sometimes the critics are right. I can see why they didn't want rock to go in a Dungeons & Dragons direction. I don't particularly care for that stuff either. I just like music that has compositional content, which is what prog is about. It's funny that prog has that D&D image, when it was far more the realm of Zep and heavy metal. Sure it had those moments and there is a lot of general "fantasy", but it's pretty all over the place.
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dr wu23
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Posted: April 27 2014 at 22:33 | |||
Maybe he thought this track was going to be his ticket to pop rock stardom
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Svetonio
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Posted: April 28 2014 at 00:31 | |||
Yes, Uriah Heep entry is a disaster but Logan & Voffinden's NME illustrated Encyclopedia of Rock has also its great moments. E..g. there's a nice entry of Miles Davis, where they wrote that Miles Davis get "attention of the rock audience which was truly attracted with his Bitches Brew the album in 1970", and that "Miles Davis made his way to discover the African roots of both directions (rock and jazz); he used a basic of rhythmic and harmonic frame of rock in order to ensure that his musicians, who were growed with jazz, that performing at maximum freedom without having to wander into anarchy on anti-traditional "free" music." I like it; a nice definition of jazzrock and (or) jazz related prog. Edited by Svetonio - April 28 2014 at 03:52 |
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