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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2014 at 08:17
Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

I dunno... looking up contemporary reviews from here in Denmark and Sweden too? Quite a few of the critics who championed Cream, The Jimi Hendrix Experience, Deep Purple etc. still had no idea what to make of what Black Sabbath, Uriah Heep, Led Zeppelin and Grand Funk Railroad were doing a few years later or at least saw quickly that both sides were kind of coming from the same place but didn't either have quite the same creative priorities or were going the same direction. (the preferred term for the new generation of hard rock being "concrete rock" before the "heavy metal" label stuck in the mid-1970s)
Different stories for different parts of the world. We didn't have the instantaneous global communications to normalise these things, the spread of music and terminology was far more sedate. For example Sweden's music scene was practically unknown in the UK at that time (aside from Bo Hansson perhaps...)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2014 at 08:20
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:



Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

(...) my own theory is indeed that Uriah Heep weren't very easy to pigeonhole into the glam-rock, prog/psych or heavy metal rival movements in the rock music of the day but I weren't there so I'm a bit cautious with laying down a thesis like that (...)


In 70s, Uriah Heep were considered as a hard rock band only.


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You might want to read that NME article from 1972 I linked in my previous post before making such claims. (...)


I never heard (read) in 70s about Uriah Heep as progressive rock band, although Yugoslav rock critics did do a lot "copy/paste" lifting from British rock articles at that time. And as I said, I saw them live in 1979 and they were advertized in town as "hard rock" band. I remember also that in crowd at the concert nobody mentioned that the Uriah Heep is the progressive rock band; everybody come to see an exciting hard rock band. Although I agree that Uriah Heep deserved to be in PA heavy prog rock section, they were considered as a hard rock band in 70s. I don't care what an internet article say.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2014 at 08:28
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:



Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

(...) my own theory is indeed that Uriah Heep weren't very easy to pigeonhole into the glam-rock, prog/psych or heavy metal rival movements in the rock music of the day but I weren't there so I'm a bit cautious with laying down a thesis like that (...)


In 70s, Uriah Heep were considered as a hard rock band only.


*sigh*
You might want to read that NME article from 1972 I linked in my previous post before making such claims. (...)


I never heard (read) in 70s about Uriah Heep as progressive rock band, although Yugoslav rock critics did do a lot "copy/paste" lifting from British rock articles at that time. I as said, I saw them live in 1979 and they were advertized as "hard rock" band. I remember also that in crowd at the concert nobody mentioned that the Uriah Heep is the progressive rock band; everybody come to see an exciting hard rock band. Although I agree that Uriah Heep deserved to be in PA heavy prog rock section, they were considered as a hard rock band in 70s. I don't care what an internet article say.

  1. 1979 is pretty late. Byron had gone, replaced by Lawton and they had long moved away from their Progressive Rock leanings and Roger Dean album covers.
  2. It is worth remembering that in Germany and other parts of Europe The Sweet were also regarded as a hard rock band, whereas in their native country they were still tagged as Glam Rock.
  3. That is a reprint from the NME dated April 15th 1972, not "an internet article"



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2014 at 09:58
I was wrong, it was in 1977, but nevermind because it still to be five years after the item you post. It is really nice to see that someone from NME called UH prog in 1972.
However, based on what I heard at  Belgrade's 1977 concert, it was much more hard(er) rock sound than on their vinyls. As they were in Yugoslavia for the first time then, they were playing all of their triggers, and it was hard rock, & very loud. 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2014 at 10:52
From the italian version of the Logan-Woffinden Rock Encyclopedia:
Uriah Heep: "one of the many bands that plagiarized without shame the heavy metal trail of Led Zeppelin. Though with the hostilityohf the whole rock critic the band made its debut in 1970..."


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2014 at 11:42
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

I was wrong, it was in 1977, but nevermind because it still to be five years after the item you post. It is really nice to see that someone from NME called UH prog in 1972.
However, based on what I heard at  Belgrade's 1977 concert, it was much more hard(er) rock sound than on their vinyls. As they were in Yugoslavia for the first time then, they were playing all of their triggers, and it was hard rock, & very loud. 

As I have tried to point out, that was somewhat irrelevant. I also saw them in 1977 with Lawton and they were nothing like the Heep of the early 70s (ie from Very 'Eavy through to Return to Fantasy) when they were harder to pigeon-hole with your comfortable little tag of "hard rock" (the UK term was heavy rock btw, Heep did not call their début album Very 'Aard... Very 'Umble).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2014 at 13:33


Both film and music are from '77 but from different concerts (film is made at concert in Fayetteville, NC, USA, 1977).


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2014 at 14:16
I find it a bit strange to read about this kind of hostility towards UH. I only just got the "Magician's Birthday" album, and so far it's the only one I've heard, but I found some really beautiful songs on it, and I really liked Byron's singing, I can't imagine anyone being bothered by his voice, I find it just beautiful, one of the better aspects of the band.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2014 at 14:42
Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

I find it a bit strange to read about this kind of hostility towards UH. I only just got the "Magician's Birthday" album, and so far it's the only one I've heard, but I found some really beautiful songs on it, and I really liked Byron's singing, I can't imagine anyone having being bothered by his voice, I find it just beautiful, one of the better aspects of the band.
 
I agree with you for the most part , and I bought  the  first album when it came out  in 1970.....Byron is not a 'bad' singer and their music is not that bad at all ......though  I did stop buying them after Magicians Birthday.
I prolly should listen to those that came out in the rest of the 70's.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2014 at 14:44
Again from the Logan-Woffinden book: majority of critics said John Wetton joined the band in 1975 only for the money.

...well couldn't it be for the Heep music, could it?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2014 at 15:44
Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

Again from the Logan-Woffinden book: majority of critics said John Wetton joined the band in 1975 only for the money.

...well couldn't it be for the Heep music, could it?
Anything's possible............but I would think after Family ,Crimson,  and a short stint with Roxy Music, Heep would have been a bit of a let down for him. But one has to pay their bills. After 2 LP's he formed UK.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2014 at 16:01
At least critics were coherent: Given that the music wasn't respectable enough one had to join only for the almighty dollar! Ahahah
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2014 at 17:52
^ Are you sure? LOL

John Wetton:
"In King Crimson, I'd been playing the the most ridiculously complicated rock music in strange time signatures. Uriah Heep offered me a refreshing break from that. I could just be myself, have some fun and play some really strong rock music. The reason [I joined] was definitely not for money. At that time, Roxy Music were offering me the same money as Uriah Heep , if not more, I just didn't want to stay in Roxy Music." (From Dave Ling's "Wizards and Demons")
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2014 at 20:03
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

I find it a bit strange to read about this kind of hostility towards UH. I only just got the "Magician's Birthday" album, and so far it's the only one I've heard, but I found some really beautiful songs on it, and I really liked Byron's singing, I can't imagine anyone having being bothered by his voice, I find it just beautiful, one of the better aspects of the band.
 
I agree with you for the most part , and I bought  the  first album when it came out  in 1970.....Byron is not a 'bad' singer and their music is not that bad at all ......though  I did stop buying them after Magicians Birthday.
I prolly should listen to those that came out in the rest of the 70's.
Same here, stopped after Magician's Birthday [EDIT: Check that, the last UH album I bought was Sweet Freedom with the single "Stealin'"]. And you probably shouldn't waste your time listening to what came after -- having listened meself,  it's not at all like what preceded it.. Just a friendly suggestion.Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2014 at 20:30
I think that Wonderworld is a very underrated album, I always place it over 'The Magician's Birthday'. It doesn't contain any epics, but it surely has a bunch of great songs with excellent melodies and cool riffs, as well as distinctive dark atmosphere. Perhaps, this is the most atmospheric album from Uriah Heep.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2014 at 20:40
Great band in the early 70's. IMHO High & Mighty was their last good album and the double live set from 1973(?) was incredible. I don't know what it is but for me I could never really separate the rock n roll element from their rockConfused

But albums like Salisbury, Demons & Wizards and July Morning ( especially from the live album) are exceptional. Actually side four of the live album doesn't do it for me either. Rock n roll prog rock morphing into glam rock late 70's.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2014 at 20:41
Originally posted by ole-the-first ole-the-first wrote:

I think that Wonderworld is a very underrated album, I always place it over 'The Magician's Birthday'. It doesn't contain any epics, but it surely has a bunch of great songs with excellent melodies and cool riffs, as well as distinctive dark atmosphere. Perhaps, this is the most atmospheric album from Uriah Heep.

Yeah they made this album mostly in Germany under pressure from the record company. Apparently Byron really struggled to make the studio sessions. Dark time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2014 at 22:25
Heep is pretty bad. Sometimes the critics are right. I can see why they didn't want rock to go in a Dungeons & Dragons direction. I don't particularly care for that stuff either. I just like music that has compositional content, which is what prog is about. It's funny that prog has that D&D image, when it was far more the realm of Zep and heavy metal. Sure it had those moments and there is a lot of general "fantasy", but it's pretty all over the place.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2014 at 22:33
Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

^ Are you sure? LOL

John Wetton:
"In King Crimson, I'd been playing the the most ridiculously complicated rock music in strange time signatures. Uriah Heep offered me a refreshing break from that. I could just be myself, have some fun and play some really strong rock music. The reason [I joined] was definitely not for money. At that time, Roxy Music were offering me the same money as Uriah Heep , if not more, I just didn't want to stay in Roxy Music." (From Dave Ling's "Wizards and Demons")
Sounds like the man doth protest too much.
 Maybe he thought this track was going to be his ticket to pop rock stardom
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2014 at 00:31
Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

From the italian version of the Logan-Woffinden Rock Encyclopedia:
Uriah Heep: "one of the many bands that plagiarized without shame the heavy metal trail of Led Zeppelin. Though with the hostilityohf the whole rock critic the band made its debut in 1970..."


well... wow

Yes, Uriah Heep entry is a disaster but Logan & Voffinden's NME illustrated Encyclopedia of Rock has also its great moments. E..g. there's a nice entry of Miles Davis, where they wrote that Miles Davis get  "attention of  the rock audience which was truly attracted with his Bitches Brew the album in 1970", and that "Miles Davis made ​​his way to discover the African roots of both directions (rock and jazz); he used a basic of rhythmic and harmonic frame of rock in order to ensure that his musicians,  who were growed with jazz,  that performing at maximum freedom without having to wander into anarchy on anti-traditional "free" music." 

I like it;  a nice definition of jazzrock and (or) jazz related prog.







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