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It's hard to explain,but to me a good playing vinyl LP just sounds better than a CD,even though all science says the CD is a better product.A vinyl record has a richer,warmer sound,its just hard to explain,either you like it or you don't.Sometimes to me a CD sounds too "clean".Am i making sense?Probaly not....But for me vinyl is best for my ears most of the time.I have seen the exception & the best example i can give is the remastered CD version of Black Sabbath Born Again is a definite improvement over the original LP.Not saying anyone is right or wrong.What works for one music lover may not work for another.
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To get the best comparison of analogue versus vinyl I recommend comparing classical releases.

Unlike pop music this stuff is recorded with the idea of a full enriching musical experience rather than be loud, sell more idea. Plus they have a lot of instruments to record so the recording and mastering is done carefully. There is a greater sonic range with a full orchestra so the bass distortion ("warmth") is clear and you hear the instrument rather than a third party version of the sound.

Incidentally this is also the reason why guitar sounds and solos changed over recent years in metal. Loud but low pitched distorted sounds impact pleasurably on a brain especially one that has been, er, chemically informed. Screaming leads have a different effect (in case anyoine ever wondered the real reason behind Metallica's 90s "ideas")

Recently bought some old recordings (Barenboim conducting LvB's 7 and 8th symphonies in DVD-A and they sound absolutely great. The sound is clear, the mix top notch, the stereo picture is just right. I compare an SACD of L v B's Eroica and it tops the 16 bit CD but admittedly, only if you are being careful with the listening. For the most part a good classical release is fine on the improved format and the newer recordings I find are very good indeed. They sound great full blast as well.

That said there are still highly dodgy classical releases (recorded from Lps, dust covered stylii, bad tape transfers) so watch out for apparent bargains they may actually be garbage.

The old classical vinyl sounds good (I've Tchiavovky's 5th which is a thoroughly enjoyable LP but the SACD and DVDs are heaven.

So the comparison of recordings is complex. It seems most people find comparing vinyl to listening to stuff on a PC to be better. What a surprise. Compare the CD to the vinyl then we might be comparing apples to apples. Some 192kbps mp3 is never going to sound good. Even the best are only a fifth of the wav file which still does not sound good being pushed through non hi fi media such as a computer.

Computers have their value but as hi fi media, no. Players, yes. Ways of being able to make a decision like valuing  records over new media, not good. Use a stereo, doesn't have to be hi-end, in fact anything reasonable from the past 30 years (post hideous '70s quality) should be okay. Mine's only medium level a 5.1 amp and universal (DVD / SACD 2.0) player, a cheap 5.1 DVD player and 2012 speakers that are fine for my humble quarters but not for the bigger rooms.

Oh when loking for the audio quality records are the LPs digitally remastered versus non-remastered? Don't forget the tape generation that LPs are based upon, unlike common source digital files new releases and re-masters have. For Lps do look for tags such as half speed mastered. (Steely Dan Aja, Gaucho spring to mind). Don't take things at a surface level.

Cassettes are popular now? Oh dear. Bring back the 5.1 wax cylinder why don't we? This really says more about the dodgy hardware choices people use to listen to music on as they play on line video games.
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Well for me I go back to the studio. Digital is a better way to capture the recording because it is easier process and quicker. That being said I really do not like the digital file. It should be so much better than it is, but it simply is not for music.

A very well made CD from start to finish is hard to beat, there are so few of them around though. Go up a few levels to 24/96 or now DSD and yeah its pretty damn sweet. But just like people complain about the cost of an analog rig (I don't understand why), the cost of a high end digital system that can play DSD files up to DSD128 is mucho dinero! They sound brilliant on the right system, this stuff is not for a laptop or $100 speakers.
The other problem with DSD/SACD is the unavailability of a selection..unless you are heavy into jazz, classical, pop and female vocals, and forget about prog.

At 50yrs old now, I have experience in all formats and have had systems that play all, except SACD/DSD, I can play hi-rez digital files. But again due to selection, I doubt I will go that route.

I can't explain the analog/vinyl pleasure, with the system I have been building, nothing gives me the sonic pleasure that my analog rig does.

Maybe one day the music industry will figure out how to make CD's sound better than they do so articles like that don't need to be written.

Or better yet the title might be "CDs are 100% better than vinyl" Although I doubt that will ever be the case. As the article starts "Vinyls great....." nuff said
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Always thought CDs sounded better but I find listening to vinyl more fun in a way
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http://www.vox.com/2014/4/19/5626058/vinyls-great-but-its-not-better-than-cds

thoughts?
I can't say I'm surprised... vinyl for me is as much a visual experience as it is a sonic one, but I never truly thought it was better sounding than a good digital version.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote smartpatrol Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2014 at 17:47
I think their last 3 have pretty solid production and sound
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Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

I went to Record Store Day, it was my first so I didn't know what to expect. I went to Vintage Vinyl thirty minutes before it opened and the line went all the way around to the back! Definitely going a couple hours earlier next year. After three hours of waiting in line, I picked up the 50 minute version of The Flaming Lips' "7 Skies H3", on beautiful clear(ish) vinyl, which was my biggest priority, Joy Divisions' "An Ideal for Living", Nirvana's "Pennyroyal Tea" single, and two Yes albums while I was waiting in line (which went throughout the store). All and all it was 71 bucks, almost all of the allowance I had saved up for the past four months, but definitely worth the wait and cash, although I unfortunately missed out on Devo's "Live at Max's Kansas City: November 15, 1977".

The jury is still out on 7 Skies H3, found the last 3 FL albums way too much treble and tinny sounding. Why do bands endorse that as part of their overall sound? Mercury Rev did it on Secret Migration too. Maybe the vinyl versions are better, less compressed.
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Brilliant SQ on this issue! Detail is superb, exceeds my CD version by a few levels. Some of the more delicate songs standout as compared to like Wedding Nails which kicks a$$. This vinyl is mixed excellent, nothing too loud or soft, very balanced.

Another winner for Porcupine Tree vinyl.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 20 2014 at 00:21
Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

I went to Record Store Day, it was my first so I didn't know what to expect. I
went to Vintage Vinyl thirty minutes before it opened and the line went
all the way around to the back! Definitely going a couple hours earlier
next year. After three hours of waiting in line, I picked up the 50
minute version of The Flaming Lips' "7 Skies H3", on beautiful
clear(ish) vinyl, which was my biggest priority, Joy Divisions' "An
Ideal for Living", Nirvana's "Pennyroyal Tea" single, and two Yes albums
while I was waiting in line (which went throughout the store). All and
all it was 71 bucks, almost all of the allowance I had saved up for the
past four months, but definitely worth the wait and cash, although I
unfortunately missed out on Devo's "Live at Max's Kansas City: November
15, 1977".


Awesome man!!!! Boy I sure remember the days of spending all my allowance money at the record store when I was a teenager.

I went to my local vinyl store, could not make it to Seattle or Tacoma this year.

Speaking of RSD, just finished watching this...pretty good since most of it is filmed in Seattle



Edited by Catcher10 - April 20 2014 at 00:24
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote smartpatrol Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2014 at 15:40
I went to Record Store Day, it was my first so I didn't know what to expect. I went to Vintage Vinyl thirty minutes before it opened and the line went all the way around to the back! Definitely going a couple hours earlier next year. After three hours of waiting in line, I picked up the 50 minute version of The Flaming Lips' "7 Skies H3", on beautiful clear(ish) vinyl, which was my biggest priority, Joy Divisions' "An Ideal for Living", Nirvana's "Pennyroyal Tea" single, and two Yes albums while I was waiting in line (which went throughout the store). All and all it was 71 bucks, almost all of the allowance I had saved up for the past four months, but definitely worth the wait and cash, although I unfortunately missed out on Devo's "Live at Max's Kansas City: November 15, 1977".
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2014 at 22:20
"small amount of us feel this way..." only on this website, which is fine. There are other sites where the 12" and 7" wax are praised for all their glory.
I do realize it can be tedious to play vinyl, especially in this world of now-now-now!! But for me and oodles of other vinyl lovers, we would not have it any other way.
What is cool is the volume of 20-30 somethings that are getting into vinyl, another generation that will not let it die...not that it ever did.

Long live vinyl!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tom Ozric Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2014 at 18:43
Way cool, Jose. Almost 90 mins - should be out as an official DVD ??
Oh, and why is it that only a small amount of us feel this way about the Long-Player ?? It's practically a ritual - I mean, it feels 'incomplete' just plonking a little silver disc on an automatic tray and letting it play for its entire duration...... no intermission to absorb the first half of the album, no flipping over of the disc, and no BIG, substantial package to enjoy.......
Not dissing CD's at all, but no comparison to 12"x12".
And also, DVD's are far superior to video-cassettes, or laser-discs.....proving that love of the LP is not just some 'retro' fad. It's fantastic that such great music, like Spock's Beard, Flower Kings and Transatlantic have their work committed to vinyl.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2014 at 16:48
Its a long watch....but very cool for us analog/wax lovers.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2014 at 15:56
^ Yea I ordered Zep I the Deluxe LP/CD package cause I wanted the book....The others I will just get the LP deluxe edition later on.
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I`ve just pre-ordered the vinyl package of the first three new
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1 comes as 3lps 2&3 are both 2lps.    music and a    ROCK `N` ROLL BAND...............



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2014 at 14:08
Vapor Trails kicks a$$ and takes names.....I have the vinyl remix and love it. There are sounbs and tidbits here and there that I don't hear on my original CD version.
 
BTW for me is perfectly fine, the rawness, edginess and power of that album when it came out speaks volumes for their return to the studio.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote smartpatrol Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2014 at 12:47
Vapor Trails is among my favorite Rush albums. I don't like the remixed version nearly as much, tho.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2014 at 10:58
Originally posted by bloodnarfer bloodnarfer wrote:

Ah cool good to know! I have an acrylic platter too but never thought of doing this.
 
Then you have the most important part to accomplish this audio eye-porn.....Just need a lamp/light source and colored vinyl.
 
I normally use a cork mat, but to allow the light to go all the way thru I have to remove the cork mat.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote bloodnarfer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2014 at 10:34
Ah cool good to know! I have an acrylic platter too but never thought of doing this.
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