Damn Animals with Pink Floyd is overrated!

I agree, Animals is tedious. Meddle followed by WYWH are my favorites. Some of the best atmosphere in rock music. Generally I find their music lacking in content though.

Fearless and A Pillow of Winds are some of the best boring music ever. It's very relaxing, in the right mood. Echoes in itself makes the album a contender though. Animals just kind of meanders on with that heavy, pretentious feel and no content to back it up. At least be lighthearted if your music is lightweight. Some of those climaxes seem good but I find myself not caring after the rest of the dreary track.

rogerthat wrote: M27Barney wrote: Strangely, though (and you cannot prove otherwise as its a fact) clearly as earth is slowing down in it's spin! Each day is in fact slightly longer than the last! so as you get older the days are actually getting longer (not shorter). The child's perception of time is seemingly different than of an older adult! But this perception difference is very hard to quantify as it is clearly different depending on the context that the brain is using when parsing the effect of actual time against perceived time!!! Regardless, Animals & WYWH and Meddle (Echoes) are all far superior from a prog point of view! Who would disagree?? I think the lines quite clearly, read with context, refer to our perception of time, to the 'time is running out' cliche.  Because scientifically speaking, it's not the sun that's going down and coming up behind you again.  ' And I would disagree with your second para, since you asked.  I consider DSOTM lyrically superior to all those three albums and there's also an overall coherence which kind of makes it one long prog epic rather than a bunch of songs.  If you look at it as a bunch of songs and disregard the lyrics, you are not going to like DSOTM very much indeed.

Mirror Image wrote: The Dark Elf wrote: You're right, Roger. The lyrics to "Time" are metaphoric and refer to how we  "fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way", and the feeling that years get shorter as you get older until in essence one runs out of time. But then the lyrics get very specific with  "The sun is the same in a relative way, but you're older". So obviously Barney is not at all clear on the concept, and his argument collapses like a fat girl on a wobbly barstool. What Barney utterly fails to understand is that DSotM is a better concept album than either WYWH or Animals. The lyrics are indeed superb, and the transitions from one song to the next are brilliant and seamless. In conceptual implementation, lyrical continuity, engineering and sound innovation DSotM is a progressive landmark, and I mean progressive in every sense of the word.  So much truth in this post that it really made me smile and anyone who cannot at least acknowledge Dark Side of the Moon as a work of genius should be chained to the floor and bullwhipped.

Edited by richardh - April 16 2014 at 01:15

Chris S wrote: ^ just being modest I think was RW

I don think its overratted... but yeah i do agree tht its nt tr best though...

richardh wrote: Mirror Image wrote: The Dark Elf wrote: You're right, Roger. The lyrics to "Time" are metaphoric and refer to how we  "fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way", and the feeling that years get shorter as you get older until in essence one runs out of time. But then the lyrics get very specific with  "The sun is the same in a relative way, but you're older". So obviously Barney is not at all clear on the concept, and his argument collapses like a fat girl on a wobbly barstool. What Barney utterly fails to understand is that DSotM is a better concept album than either WYWH or Animals. The lyrics are indeed superb, and the transitions from one song to the next are brilliant and seamless. In conceptual implementation, lyrical continuity, engineering and sound innovation DSotM is a progressive landmark, and I mean progressive in every sense of the word.  So much truth in this post that it really made me smile and anyone who cannot at least acknowledge Dark Side of the Moon as a work of genius should be chained to the floor and bullwhipped. you might have to include Roger Waters as well as me then as didn't he say that he was surprised 'he got away with it'?

So what part of the concept am I obviously too stupid to understand?
Please tell me as I can't wait to be intellectually fulfilled with the knowledge that I cannot grasp such monumental truths as set down in the Canon of Floyd!!
Also the analogy of my argument collapsing is fairly offensive and reasonably unfunny - I think you must do BETTER!!!

I have NEVER considered myself a hard-core Floyd fan!!! But from a symphonic prog perspective I think that WYWH & Animals (and Meddle track) are the stand out material that I have enjoyed listening to over the years when I wanted a break from Yes/Genesis/ELP/Camel....Mind you Floyd have always had a sort of acceptability (e.g. being "cool" to like) that the others just didn't have...thus the "buying prog in a plain cover" as Wakeman put it, did not apply - and I have always thought that as such I could place some Floyd as a sort of pseudo-prog! (but not the material I mentioned above) That IS MY OPINION - like it or lump it!

rogerthat wrote: See, that's the problem for you. You are thinking of them in these slots and how well they fit into them.  I was not introduced to Floyd as a prog rock band nor do I know that they have ever considered themselves as such.  So I was more interested in the emotions in their music than the musical complexity.  And in terms of emotions, none of those bands can hold a candle to Floyd, according to me.  They don't nearly approach, say, the unhinged madness of Don't Leave Me Now.

Though I might think that Mike Oldifield is in a very similar position to Pink Floyd too. He's not so overly complex nor virtuoso, but the melodies and atmospheres are his strong point... or at least were in the 70's.

So, you espouse that the lyrical content of DSOTM contains such sophistry, I am incapable of understanding them! - Are you on drugs??
As interesting as Floyds lyrical content may be to some people - I don't think you'll find that anything that requires too much intelligence to interpret - you can read any amount of bath-tub philosophy into any lyrical syntax! I for one find Anderson's word games far more enjoyable than Waters output! And suggesting that the middle class English white man has more insight into the human condition than anybody of similar education and life experience is LUDICROUS!
I think that you are a Monty Python character , I can see you prancing round your house like John Cleese in the "Ministry of Silly Walks" sketch!
And although you may think that the DSOTM lyric sheet is all that people need to understand human beings and their "condition" - I reckon a bit more reading is required!
and my argument stands.....the generalisations found in Water's lyrics are open to interpretation (as are all lyrics) so they are no more sublime than the following I have just made up now!

"Third Law of Thermodynamics so Harsh.
'Bloody hell, it's freezing'....but came there no reponse...."

Edited by M27Barney - April 17 2014 at 08:24