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Dean 
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 Posted: April 08 2014 at 08:25 |
 Alan Boyle as quoted by Svetonio wrote:
"This could indicate that there is intelligent life below the ground and uses light as we do," Waring wrote in a posting about the pic on Sunday. |
*sigh*
Plausible suggestion:
Alan Boyle as quoted by Svetonio wrote:
The evidence so far favors a pixel dropout as the explanation |
Big F cking Clue:
Alan Boyle as quoted by Svetonio wrote:
... the navigation camera is a stereo system, and the left-hand navcam doesn't show the bright spots on either day. |
Alan Boyle as quoted by Svetonio wrote:
That suggests that the "light" might be a bit of lost data that left blank spots only on the right-hand navcam pictures. |
Imaging expert explanation:
Alan Boyle as quoted by Svetonio wrote:
Update for 9 p.m. ET April 7: Doug Ellison, an imaging guru who happens to work at JPL, quickly told me in a Twitter update that the bright spot is due to a "cosmic ray hit" affecting the rover. (Later: The Surrey Space Center's Chris Bridges agrees.) |
...an explanation that also stacks up with the Big Clue and the science of image sensor technology: CCD arrays are used in cosmic ray detectors for precisely this reason, they react when hit with a cosmic ray. Anyone got a better explanation for why it only shows up on one of the two cameras looking at the same scene simultaneously?
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: April 08 2014 at 08:59 |
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I also was confused why the preposterous theory was proposed in conjunction with the one with evidence that clearly gives the right solution.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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dr wu23
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Posted: April 08 2014 at 09:27 |
Dean wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Dean wrote:
Why no, after you sir. |
I haven't a clue.....
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Well, of course if you are asking for a definitive and categoric answer to "What is it?" then no one has a clue. But are you saying you don't have a single thought, idea, suggestion, theory, opinion of what it possibly might be? |
Not really........someone on another forum mentioned a govt drone and some kind of odd light reflection from the trail camera....beyond that I have no idea.
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Dean
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Posted: April 08 2014 at 10:48 |
dr wu23 wrote:
Dean wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Dean wrote:
Why no, after you sir. |
I haven't a clue.....
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Well, of course if you are asking for a definitive and categoric answer to "What is it?" then no one has a clue. But are you saying you don't have a single thought, idea, suggestion, theory, opinion of what it possibly might be? |
Not really........someone on another forum mentioned a govt drone and some kind of odd light reflection from the trail camera....beyond that I have no idea. |
So you don't think it might be aliens or inter-dimensional beings or spirits of the dead or anything untoward. Just something mundane and ordinary like a UAV (ie a flying object that is unidentifiable) or some diffraction/refraction/reflection/aberration effect of the camera itself (ie unidentified but neither flying nor an object).
Okay. Cool.
I have no further questions.
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dr wu23
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Posted: April 08 2014 at 11:28 |
Dean wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Dean wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Dean wrote:
Why no, after you sir. |
I haven't a clue.....
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Well, of course if you are asking for a definitive and categoric answer to "What is it?" then no one has a clue. But are you saying you don't have a single thought, idea, suggestion, theory, opinion of what it possibly might be? |
Not really........someone on another forum mentioned a govt drone and some kind of odd light reflection from the trail camera....beyond that I have no idea. |
So you don't think it might be aliens or inter-dimensional beings or spirits of the dead or anything untoward. Just something mundane and ordinary like a UAV (ie a flying object that is unidentifiable) or some diffraction/refraction/reflection/aberration effect of the camera itself (ie unidentified but neither flying nor an object).
Okay. Cool.
I have no further questions. |
You are really a piece of work. Where did I say it was aliens...?
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Dean
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Posted: April 08 2014 at 11:37 |
dr wu23 wrote:
Dean wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Dean wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Dean wrote:
Why no, after you sir. |
I haven't a clue.....
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Well, of course if you are asking for a definitive and categoric answer to "What is it?" then no one has a clue. But are you saying you don't have a single thought, idea, suggestion, theory, opinion of what it possibly might be? |
Not really........someone on another forum mentioned a govt drone and some kind of odd light reflection from the trail camera....beyond that I have no idea. |
So you don't think it might be aliens or inter-dimensional beings or spirits of the dead or anything untoward. Just something mundane and ordinary like a UAV (ie a flying object that is unidentifiable) or some diffraction/refraction/reflection/aberration effect of the camera itself (ie unidentified but neither flying nor an object).
Okay. Cool.
I have no further questions. |
You are really a piece of work. Where did I say it was aliens...? |
You didn't - and that's precisely what I said: "So you don't think it might be aliens"
Do you want to say that you think it might be aliens now?
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: April 08 2014 at 13:02 |
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These almost always turn out to be some kind of light reflection in the lens, glitch in the camera, normal object caught from an angle that makes it unrecognizeable or something else that's rather boring and prosaic. If it's something exotic, odds that it's an alien spaceship are still pretty damn low.
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Svetonio
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Posted: April 09 2014 at 21:51 |
Experts Explain Deer-Cam UFO
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Alan Boyle
A spooky trail-camera picture showing a pair of lights looming over a deer's head has generated lots of questions about UFOs over the past week. Now the folks who manufacture the camera that took the picture say they know the true answer to the mystery. "It helps when you look at thousands of these things," said Boyd Barnett, who handles marketing and advertising at Alabama-based Moultrie Products. "The big clue is that the UFO is lined up symmetrically over the deer, where the eyes would be," Moultrie brand manager Bart Stephens told NBC News. The photo is so overexposed that it looks as if the deer is looking out toward the "lights," but it's actually looking right into the camera. The ghostly haze in the picture is also part of the effect.
A side view from a different trail camera shows what could well be the same deer, illuminated by the first camera's infrared beam. Rainer Shattles, who placed both those cameras on his wooded property in Jackson County, Miss., told NBC News he's not fully convinced. He pointed to other pictures that appear to show a shape like a flying saucer up in the trees. A skeptic might try to explain away such effects as lens flare, but Shattles insists there's something strange going on. "If it's a government drone, coming through that area at night, they need to speak up," he. "But they're not going to say anything." |
http://www.nbcnews.com/science/weird-science/caught-headlights-experts-explain-deer-cam-ufo-n76156
LOL what a stupid explanation!
Edited by Svetonio - April 09 2014 at 21:57
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Dean
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Posted: April 10 2014 at 02:53 |
Svetonio wrote:
Experts Explain Deer-Cam UFO
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Alan Boyle
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LOLWAT. How smart do you have to be to think the explanation given by the manufacturer of the camera is stupid?
You seem pretty confident that it isn't vehicle headlights and you seem to find the technical explanation that it is an optical effect of the camera lens laughable.
So what's your explanation Einstein? Do you think it might be aliens or inter-dimensional beings or spirits of the dead or anything untoward?
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Atavachron
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Posted: April 10 2014 at 02:58 |
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Clearly the aliens have switched from cattle to deer, were about to vivisect the poor things gonads, realized they'd been caught on camera, and got the hell out of there.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Dean
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Posted: April 10 2014 at 03:15 |
This is my favourite picture of all of them. Now we know that the Shattles set up two cameras a feasible explanation presents itself - the "light" we see in the pictures is not in the visible spectrum, it is infra-red and created by the cameras themselves.
The most plausible explanation for this picture is that we see the "invisible to the human eye" infra-red light of one camera being photographed by the other camera. It also nicely shows that the nocturnal deer, whose eyes have an abundance of rod-cells, can possibly see, or at least detect, this infra-red light.
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Finnforest
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Posted: April 10 2014 at 07:24 |
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My money is on local teens out having some fun with this guy.
As to the landowner, what a great name for a band.
Ladies and Gents, good to see you at the Pine Knot tonight. Wings are on special till 9.
Now, please welcome, from Jackson county...
The Rainer Shattles Band!
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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Svetonio
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Posted: April 10 2014 at 11:35 |
Dean wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
Experts Explain Deer-Cam UFO
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Alan Boyle
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LOLWAT. How smart do you have to be to think the explanation given by the manufacturer of the camera is stupid?
You seem pretty confident that it isn't vehicle headlights and you seem to find the technical explanation that it is an optical effect of the camera lens laughable.
So what's your explanation Einstein? Do you think it might be aliens or inter-dimensional beings or spirits of the dead or anything untoward?
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If the lights are actually the reflections of the deer's eyes, the distance between the lights would have to be less; a deer do not have eyes like an owl. Btw, the company could have a hell of reasons for such birdbrained "explanation".
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Dean
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Posted: April 10 2014 at 12:37 |
Svetonio wrote:
Dean wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
Experts Explain Deer-Cam UFO
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Alan Boyle
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LOLWAT. How smart do you have to be to think the explanation given by the manufacturer of the camera is stupid?
You seem pretty confident that it isn't vehicle headlights and you seem to find the technical explanation that it is an optical effect of the camera lens laughable.
So what's your explanation Einstein? Do you think it might be aliens or inter-dimensional beings or spirits of the dead or anything untoward?
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If the lights are actually the reflections of the deer's eyes, the distance between the lights would have to be less; a deer do not have eyes like an owl. |
I'm not sure I follow what you are saying here. In what way are deer eyes not like an owl?
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Btw, the company could have a hell of reasons for such birdbrained "explanation". |
Really? And what would that be?
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: April 10 2014 at 14:09 |
Like I say, things like this are most of the time either well-known phenomena that have been misidentified or outright hoaxes. The unknown explanations most likely to turn up, as opposed to alien spacecraft, are secret gov't/military equipment or poorly understood natural phenomena. One UFO theory I'm fascinated by is that some of them could be a hitherto-unknown type of lifeforms indigenous to the planet's atmosphere. It's covered more in the book Mysterious Fires and Lights by Vincent Gaddis which I can recommend, even though I didn't find the theory that convincing there either.... mostly because there isn't much in the way physical evidence. It isn't as much of a cliché as the alien visitation, I'll give it that at least.
Edited by Toaster Mantis - April 12 2014 at 03:40
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: April 10 2014 at 14:20 |
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It's amazing how strong of opinions people with no training in optics have in this thread.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: April 10 2014 at 14:25 |
Svetonio wrote:
If the lights are actually the reflections of the deer's eyes, the distance between the lights would have to be less; a deer do not have eyes like an owl. Btw, the company could have a hell of reasons for such birdbrained "explanation". |
Yes they do in so far as the reflection of light viewed in the camera is concerned. Many animals have a tapetum lucidum as an ocular layer. Those which are diurnal typically do not express this, such as humans. Animals like deer and owls do. It's a great example of convergent evolution.
Edited by Equality 7-2521 - April 10 2014 at 14:26
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: April 10 2014 at 14:53 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
It's amazing how strong of opinions people with no training in optics have in this thread.
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Well, that's your brain on Hawkwind.
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dr wu23
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Posted: April 10 2014 at 16:28 |
Toaster Mantis wrote:
Like I say, things like this are most of the time either well-known phenomena that have been misidentified or outright hoaxes. The unknown explanations most likely to turn up, as opposed to alien spacecraft, are secret gov't/military equipment or poorly understood natural phenomena.
One UFO theory I'm fascinated by is that some of them could be a hitherto-unknown type of lifeforms indigenous to the planet's atmosphere. It's covered more in the book Mysterious Fires and Lights by Vincent Gaddis which I can recommend, even though I didn't find the theory that convincing there either.... mostly because there isn't much in the way physical evidence.
It isn't as much of a cliché as the alien visitation, I'll give it that at least.
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Enjoyed the Fortean link and Constable was one of those who proposed this 'atmospheric lifeform' theory many years ago, but as you pointed out there isn't any good evidence of these creatures existing.
The camera reflection optical thing related to the deer eyes is most likely the right explanation but hell I don't even fully understand that. I'm an Optometrist and I have forgotten most of that optical science (college was over 35 years ago) since I don't use it at the office these days regarding patients.
Alien visitation has certainly become a cliché and if a real alien ever lands it will probably be dismissed as either a hoax or an optical illusion.
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Posted: April 10 2014 at 17:22 |
Someone knows the name of this newspaper?
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