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rogerthat 
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 Posted: March 31 2014 at 11:14 |
Camel are not really at that level anyway. The only thing going for them vis a vis the big prog rock bands is Latimer's solos.
As for VDGG, there used to be an older bio on their page in the database which claimed that if there was one band that deserved to be mentioned in the same breath as the big ones, it was VDGG. Or maybe I read it in one of the reviews, I can't recall. At any rate, perhaps you haven't come across it but certainly there is a huge following for VDGG that regards them as the greatest band and all that and, predictably, finds the adulation heaped on Genesis or Yes unjustifiable. It's just a chip on the shoulder syndrome, nothing more to it (and hardly a reason to avoid a band, as it's not THEIR doing).
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: March 31 2014 at 11:07 |
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It's more that every time GG are mentioned it's accompanied by (increasingly predictable) complaints that they weren't as popular as the other big UK prog rock bands of their generation... something I never see with Camel or Van der Graaf Generator for instance.
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"The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook
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rogerthat
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Posted: March 30 2014 at 20:03 |
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What kind of cult, exactly, surrounds Gentle Giant? I am very curious because they don't have stuff like their own language. All they can be accused of is of having a funny and adorable mascot. Yeah, they have enthusiastic fans which is (a) just the same as any other band and (b) quite justified considering the significance of their work.
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: March 30 2014 at 12:19 |
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Swans has an annoying fan base?
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I should know, I'm a member of it.
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"The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook
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Posted: March 30 2014 at 10:14 |
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Posted: March 30 2014 at 10:09 |
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Dean
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Posted: March 30 2014 at 10:06 |
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Posted: March 30 2014 at 09:55 |
Swans has an annoying fan base?
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: March 30 2014 at 05:17 |
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Like I say, there's quite a bit of music I avoid for reasons I admit aren't completely rational. That I also on a personal subjective level find PF more musically interesting early on when they didn't completely know what they were doing is something different, though, and even if it wasn't so overplayed I wouldn't be that inclined to listen to Dark Side of the Moon as I am to Atom Heart Mother.
I've also never listened to any Gentle Giant LP but I'm neither sure they're historically important enough to count as a classic band. In their case it's because I find the cult surrounding the band annoying but I listen to plenty of artists with even more annoying fanbases. (Swans, for instance)
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uduwudu
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Posted: March 30 2014 at 02:03 |
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This over rated / over played thing.... if you are listening to radio and hearing the same old song and dance why not change stations? If something is over played then that is NOT the fault of the music or artist being over done. Undoubtedly many are over played, programmers (despite the first 4 letters therein) lack imagination and creativity and try to keep people controlled.
Are ELP really overdone on the radio? I thought it was 2 - 3 numbers at most. Karn Evil 9 Part 2, Fanfare, and Lucky Man, as ever. There are many terrific pieces on their releases to be explored. ELP are an albums band, not pop single time no matter how much some try to condition you into thinking so.
Listen to a jazz or classical station - which I've found not to suffer from rock or pop reactionary / format mind sets.
This way I can enjoy radio staples when I like not when someone else has decided I should hear them.
Once upon a time, a long long time ago Dark Side would never get played on radio and anyone wanting Sabbath was a metal head and a satanist. Apparently these were (are?) bad things.
Actually I'm amazed in portable music territory that radio still gets air time.
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progbethyname
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Posted: March 29 2014 at 23:46 |
Toaster Mantis wrote:
While reading Jon Cavanaugh's book about the recording of Piper at the Gates of Dawn I also realized I've never heard the entirety of neither Dark Side of the Moon nor Wish You Were Here. Overexposure on radio play of their big hits really killed both LPs for me prematurely. |
OUCH!! 
But luckily both are concept albums and are meant to be heard in their entirety.
Maybe that might give some life to it for yourself. ;)
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Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: March 07 2014 at 13:15 |
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I guess I should mention that I also have a more rational one here: Going by the other PF albums I own (Piper, Saucerful, AHM, Animals and The Wall) it seems like I like them less and less as their music became more "normal" for lack of a better word.
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Logan
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Posted: March 07 2014 at 12:09 |
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It might be seen as rather neurotic, but and I can identify with your sentiment.
I also identify with this quote: "The fact that logic cannot satisfy us awakens an almost insatiable hunger for the irrational" (A.N. Wilson).
EDIT: I don't like this irritating code that's recently been coming up in my posts which seems to be Bitdefender though I can't find that on my system. I'll try to do something about fixing it.
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: March 07 2014 at 11:49 |
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I freely admit there's quite a bit of music I avoid for rather irrational reasons.
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Dean
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Posted: March 07 2014 at 07:59 |
Toaster Mantis wrote:
While reading Jon Cavanaugh's book about the recording of Piper at the Gates of Dawn I also realized I've never heard the entirety of neither Dark Side of the Moon nor Wish You Were Here. Overexposure on radio play of their big hits really killed both LPs for me prematurely. |
That's the silliest thing I've read on this forum in a very long time. 
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: March 07 2014 at 07:37 |
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^ But you are going to resurrect the rest of the tracks on the albums, right?
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: March 07 2014 at 07:36 |
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While reading Jon Cavanaugh's book about the recording of Piper at the Gates of Dawn I also realized I've never heard the entirety of neither Dark Side of the Moon nor Wish You Were Here. Overexposure on radio play of their big hits really killed both LPs for me prematurely.
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"The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook
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Posted: March 04 2014 at 16:31 |
Curved Air, The Enid, and Triumvirat come to mind. Haven't gotten around to listening to any of them, but I do plan on checking them out soon.
There's also a bunch of RIO bands that I still need to check out. I've only become interested in that style over the past 6 months or so, so I still have a lot of exploring to do. Stormy Six and Aksak Maboul are two that I have yet to listen to, for example.
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Posted: March 04 2014 at 12:11 |
Billy Pilgrim wrote:
I've never tried anything from Flower Kings or Spock's Beard, and I don't intend on doing so.
Other things, like Canterbury and Space rock, I might try to get into eventually. Always have wanted to try out Can and pick up the other Radio Gnome Invisible albums, and Hawkwind. |
I think Can and Gong are patchy - some great some poor. With Can i would try Future Days or Ege Bamyasi, with Gong maybe one of the trilogy. Caravan were a more consistent band i think, pretty good until prog started to get dumbed down into MOR in the late 1970s.
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Posted: March 04 2014 at 12:08 |
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I havent heard ANY King Crimson and very little Gentle Giant (although i still have Octopus but never play it). About 30 years ago I had 2 or 3 other albums by GGt. Havent explored Zappa much either - problem with such prolific artists is where do you start, and do you really want to get into a band with a huge back catalogue that would cost an arm and a leg to get on vinyl.
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