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!!! ^ Nice one again. Beautiful job with the whole package with cool sleeve notes from Neal. So far it's my No.1 Spock's album (but I haven't heard them all).
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Finally got this on vinyl........One of my favorite SB albums. The SQ is fantastic, especially on The Light where they used the original 8-track cassette demo distorted vocals and guitar...But overall a very fine sounding vinyl by Inside Out Music.
 
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I can for sure see the value in buying some of these extreme metal issues on vinyl. Crazy artwork, gatefolds and usually colored vinyl...especially when they are limited in volume.
 
For sure if it was to my listening taste I'd be all over them.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Prog Sothoth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2014 at 19:40
Cool! Can't say I have any numbered vinyls, although I haven't really checked.

I'll only buy newer vinyl releases if I reeeaally dig the band, but man it's getting tempting to buy some obscure black metal release and just keep it in the packaging and hold it for a few years before selling it. Still, it kinda doesn't feel right for some reason.

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^ Amusing you should say 666 copies - I have Runaway Totem's 'Trimegisto' LP and it's limited to 666 copies !! Mine is no. 486...
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

 What gets me is when you look at new vinyl releases, from what I see on websites and in record stores...deathmetal, gore, blackmetal adn the like are getting issued on almost everything! I cannot believe that crowd is in the 40-50yr old segment, it must be 20-40yr olds buying up all that death/gore/black metal vinyl!
 
Would be good if someone from the recording industry knew how that works...good question!
 


A large contingent of metal fans in their younger years seem to treat metal, particularly the extreme stuff, as not just music but a lifestyle choice...an identity. The image, artwork and visual aspects of the band members themselves all play almost as much of a role as the music itself. A cultural thing, and owning vinyls with the large artwork are like "supporting the underground cause" or whatnot. Currently the numerous limited edition vinyls (independent metal-based labels don't tend to mass produce releases) also tend to shoot up in value pretty fast, with fanatics of certain acts willing to buy discontinued releases for higher prices...so there's the "investment" factor as well. I can only imagine how many extreme vinyl releases were limited to 666 copies.

It is rather interesting that extreme metal fanatics are so willing to spend extra cash for large physical copies of their favorite band's releases, moreso than fans of most other genres I can think of. Then again, I was there too a long time ago, buying LPs and tapes of the craziest stuff I could find without even knowing what the bands actually sounded like. I just assumed it would be up my alley (although this would occasionally backfire).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2014 at 09:59
^ Still good questions.....I don't work in the record industry or vinyl pressing plants. Maybe someone will join the forums that works in those segments, one day
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I was just curious....
I thought maybe it depends on sales figures or popularity of an album.
I do agree that with Marillion - Radiation, we get an entirely '2013' Remix' and totally new cover based on the same idea, and all pressed on lush blue wax, with an etching design taking up the 4th side. Very nice indeed. But why choose an edition of this album over Anoraknophobia ??? Maybe in the future perhaps ?? Why 'The Twenty Seven Club' and not 'Seven' (Magenta in this case) ???
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Regarding vinyl re-issues ......
My question is .......     
How does a label judge which album of a, say, White Willow, album gets (deserves) a vinyl pressing (until now we only get their debut and their latest...).
Another example - why Marillion's Radiation and not Marbles ???? ......
 
Its no secret that the last several yrs more vinyl is being issued every year almost. Labels like Rhino, Friday Music, Music On Vinyl, Kscope, InsideOut, Madfish and many others are having pressings done of not only new releases but also older releases. How is that decision made, not really sure but I assume Friday Music for example is in the music business and they are going to re-issue bands like Yes with the members permission and pay them royalties or a one-time fee. They will remaster and sometimes remix either an original issue or one of the previous re-issues, I suspect it just depends on the price they are willing to pay.
 
Marbles was reissued in 2011 from the original 2004 release, Madfish label is doing them. The big thing is they get redone on heavy weight vinyl like 180gram, versus the thinner 120gram vinyl. The covers are redone and or normally kept like the original if it was vinyl. Printed sleeves, notes, pictures maybe an insert with additional information, just a better packaging.
Radiation was remixed from the original 1999 recording and issued on vinyl, this packaging was redone and also made in blue 180gram vinyl.
 
What gets me is when you look at new vinyl releases, from what I see on websites and in record stores...deathmetal, gore, blackmetal adn the like are getting issued on almost everything! I cannot believe that crowd is in the 40-50yr old segment, it must be 20-40yr olds buying up all that death/gore/black metal vinyl!
 
Would be good if someone from the recording industry knew how that works...good question!
 
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Originally posted by frippism frippism wrote:

Thanks guys for the help! I just realized I have no idea what you both are talking about with amp, phono amp etc. :-) I really am a complete newbie in this realm... currently I have a pretty cheap ion turntable with what I assume is a pretty lo fi cartridge... so yeah I think I need some vynil education...
 

Its OK...no worries!!

Amp = Amplifier, what powers your speakers. Could be a receiver, which is an amplifier with FM/AM ability. I don't use a receiver in my main system, I just don't listen to the radio anymore at home. I use what is called an integrated amplifier, so it powers my speakers and I connect all my sources to it, sources could be CD Player, Tape Player, MP3 player and a turntable....This is where it can get confusing.

If your receiver or integrated amplifier is an older production model it probably has PHONO inputs on the back, if it is a newer production model it probably does not have PHONO inputs. If the latter then you need what is called a PHONO PREAMP or PHONO STAGE, people call them different. It is required because the output signal from the cartridge is so low compared to the output signal from say a CD player, it needs to be amplified to bring it to line level output. You cannot plug in a turntable to your CD or TAPE inputs, it will sound muffled and low volume.

The phono amp will boost the signal but also vey important is it also corrects for RIAA frequency curve used to create the vinyl albums. I won't go into that as it is detailed, you can Google RIAA frequency curve and read what it is and why they do it on wikipedia or other website.

The Ion table is just an entry level table and will play your vinyl fine, you could improve the quality and detail of sound with a better cartridge but that is your choice. I will not tell you what to spend that is for you to decide on a budget and then go do some research and best is to go to a hi-fi store and listen if possible,.

 

So once you figure out what you need then we can discuss more, speakers you can buy whenever and connect them to the amplifier or receiver you have now. It would be good to know make and model of what you have to make sure we can suggest good matches. Usually any upgrades you make will only get you better sounding music....sky is the limit but again that is your call.

 

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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Regarding vinyl re-issues ......
My question is .......     
How does a label judge which album of a, say, White Willow, album gets (deserves) a vinyl pressing (until now we only get their debut and their latest...).
Another example - why Marillion's Radiation and not Marbles ???? ......


An excellent question, Tom. I've not much knowledge to expell in this matter, but I am curious so I guess I should thank you for that. I'm gonna do some digging. :)
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Regarding vinyl re-issues ......
My question is .......     
How does a label judge which album of a, say, White Willow, album gets (deserves) a vinyl pressing (until now we only get their debut and their latest...).
Another example - why Marillion's Radiation and not Marbles ???? ......
Someone, somewhere, thought it was a good idea.  Others may have disagreed, but they were probably shorter, so the tall guys win.
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Thanks guys for the help! I just realized I have no idea what you both are talking about with amp, phono amp etc. :-) I really am a complete newbie in this realm... currently I have a pretty cheap ion turntable with what I assume is a pretty lo fi cartridge... so yeah I think I need some vynil education...
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Regarding vinyl re-issues ......
My question is .......     
How does a label judge which album of a, say, White Willow, album gets (deserves) a vinyl pressing (until now we only get their debut and their latest...).
Another example - why Marillion's Radiation and not Marbles ???? ......
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Originally posted by frippism frippism wrote:

guys, you have any idea for any mid priced (in the 300$) speakers I could get for the turntable? Thanks for any help :D


Let me know what you decide on getting, but Pioneer always have affordable and reasonable pricing for decent audio speakers paired for a vinyl set up. What kind of amp/receiver do you have?
Otherwise. Jose is pretty knowledgable when it comes vinyl set up's.
I'm the digital guy, but if you ever get into DAC's let me know. They are great!!
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Originally posted by frippism frippism wrote:

guys, you have any idea for any mid priced (in the 300$) speakers I could get for the turntable? Thanks for any help :D
 
Fripp...what is the rest of the system you have? Amp, phono amp, cartridge.....just looking to give you the best suggestion to match the rest of your gear.
Right off the bat I would suggest the Epos Epic 1 stand mount speakers. You can get these online for about $300, regular $500 speakers I think....PM me if you like.
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guys, you have any idea for any mid priced (in the 300$) speakers I could get for the turntable? Thanks for any help :D
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Vintage analog vinyl, for the win! Still buy tons of CDs too. I get the best of both worlds: Analog & Digital. Oh, yeah! Approve 
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Pre-ordered this today.......Led Zeppelin I Super Deluxe Box Set 3-LP/2-CD with 70-Page Book. Zeppelin II and Zeppelin III, I plan to get just the Deluxe Vinyl set. The Super Deluxe is US$135, I wanted the book though and the 3rd LP is a live concert from '69 I think, never released. Jimmy Page has remastered from the original tapes, the big lush, warm, pounding analog sound from Zeppelin, it will be good I know.
 
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:



Arrived today......
 
Very well done by Music On Vinyl!! My CD will now be put away.....
 



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