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Posted: March 06 2014 at 08:29
A new nutter, yay! Benign trolls always bring out the funniest posts from the humorous bunch here. For lack of a pop corn icon I'll have to bring out the beer one. Cheers!
No. And in the 80's, there was no Hair Metal. In the seventies, There was no Hard Rock. In the sixties, there was no Rock N' Roll. In the fifties, there was no Jazz. In the fourties, there was no Swing (or was that fifties?) In the 30s, whatever there was then, that was even slightly rockin', it didn't happen. DON'T YOU GET IT?! THE ONLY MUSIC THAT EVER EXISTED WAS DAVID AND THE HARP!! EVER!!
My other drastic opinion would be thatno music existed before 1980, considering the large quantity of lame hard rock bands in the 70s, and the lack thereof of any music of the "Heavy" nature before 1970, however, that opinion is one that gets you the WRONG PLACES
in a forum, especially a Prog Forum, so that was not the opinion I
elected to joking state, mostly because it's surprisingly accurate, and
just may get mistaken for my actual attitude.
These two would be my drastic opinions. My actual opinion? Well, lets just say before 1980, it gets pretty sparse in the territory of me liking it. However, that, of course, does not mean music created before 1980 is not "Real", but it does mean that it is UNBEARABLE and probably should be eradicated from the earth. At least, to me
In retrospect: Close to the Edge would be the sole exception that comes to mind for my "1980" rule of thumb, coming in at a measly1972! I mean, it is Prog and all, but that doesn't mean it can't still be good! However, lets face it, in all honestly, even Judas Priest's 1978Hell Bent For Leather was, at times, pretty lame. I mean, sure, maybe it's actually pretty good, if you ignore the fact that "Delivering The Goods" is the best track, and that it seems like a early, lamer version of "Breaking the Law",
with an annoying sexual theme, but lets face it, anything that came out
before 1980 just didn't really have the quality standards that things
did by at least 1984.
Consider the quantities of awesome things coming out by 1985! Stryper's "Soldiers Under Command" (1985), Yngwie Malmsteen's Rising Force's "Marching Out" (1985), even Tony Carey's "Some Tough City" (1984), even if it was a little on the softer side. Try to think of that many awesome albums before 1980. For me, it's impossible. As much as I want to say they aren't there, I'm sure there are some ultra-awesome Prog masterpieces, at least in some opinions, that came out before 1980.
But I guess what I'm saying is, for me, right now, thinking of anything all that great before 1980 (before 1981, really), is impossible.
Feel free to slam me with a bucketload of Prog albums that go over my head.
StaaVi
Are you the AntiWalter? i.e. a vengeful
demon sent up from the fiery abyss to which he was condemned for serial
trolling about the iniquities of music post 1989? BTW That's a JOKE, I don't expect you to know who the infamous Walter was round these parts y'all
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Posted: March 06 2014 at 04:23
StaaViinsZ wrote:
let's see.... Gamma Ray are not Prog and never will be, and they certainly were not popular in the 70s.
lol.
NOT... PROG...???
Well, you have to admit, a 9 minute song might be just a little SEMI-PROGRESSIVE FOR METAL...
Nope. Song-length is not a dictum of Prog. Power Metal is Power Metal, Prog Metal is Prog Metal. I've seen Gamma Ray live and they are Power Metal.
StaaViinsZ wrote:
But no, they weren't popular in the 70s.
Mibad for off-topic post, milady, that is, if you are a lady, it's weird the avatars some people have sometimes...
So you're a reptile. Your deductive logic is impeccable.
StaaViinsZ wrote:
I suppose, though, lets face it, this thread is Prog, 70s. If you don't like 70s, and are gonna talk about things that are barely in the "semi-questionable" Prog territory, then
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Posted: March 06 2014 at 04:08
let's see.... Gamma Ray are not Prog and never will be, and they certainly were not popular in the 70s.
lol.
NOT... PROG...???
Well, you have to admit, a 9 minute song might be just a little SEMI-PROGRESSIVE FOR METAL...
But no, they weren't popular in the 70s.
Mibad for off-topic post, milady, that is, if you are a lady, it's weird the avatars some people have sometimes...
I suppose, though, lets face it, this thread is Prog, 70s. If you don't like 70s, and are gonna talk about things that are barely in the "semi-questionable" Prog territory, then
WHAT ARE YOU DOING ON THIS THREAD!?!?
Can I get a... A-OKAY WITH ME?
Edited by StaaViinsZ - March 06 2014 at 04:10
"Let us scream like Tom Mallicoat, and whisper like Geoff Tate, for the difference between the two is nigh."
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Posted: March 06 2014 at 00:47
The song "Roundabout" was in constant rotation on AM radio in Chicago....it was edited down to a mere 3:28 length!
As far as editing songs down that are long-- anybody seen the video version of Gamma Ray's Rebellion In Dreamland??
Wow-- everything that made the original 9:00 minute epic great is all dumbed down into a simple 3 &1/2 minute or so rehash. That said, the video is pretty cool though.
Edited by StaaViinsZ - March 06 2014 at 00:52
"Let us scream like Tom Mallicoat, and whisper like Geoff Tate, for the difference between the two is nigh."
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Posted: March 06 2014 at 00:39
fudgenuts64 wrote:
Hi, I'm curious to know whether the most well known prog had some popularity at it's peak. Like, was stuff like Close to the Edge or Foxtrot commonly known during that time or just a mere niche? This was before my time so I'm very curious to know exactly what prog significance was during it's peak.
The song "Roundabout" was in constant rotation on AM radio in Chicago....it was edited down to a mere 3:28 length!
This song alone launched Yes in the Midwestern US market....their single of "America" was another big pop music hit.
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Posted: March 06 2014 at 00:10
Padraic wrote:
This post is a piping hot cup of win.
Excuse my cluelessness, but what does that mean exactly?
The Dark Elf wrote:
No sense in doing that. You are amusing just the way you are.
And that comment right there shows that this forum is composed of people over 40. Any other forum would've whopped me over the head with joyous disdain. This forum? Wow, the people are so... nice here.
Edited by StaaViinsZ - March 06 2014 at 00:11
"Let us scream like Tom Mallicoat, and whisper like Geoff Tate, for the difference between the two is nigh."
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Posted: March 05 2014 at 20:02
StaaViinsZ wrote:
No. And in the 80's, there was no Hair Metal. In the seventies, There was no Hard Rock. In the sixties, there was no Rock N' Roll. In the fifties, there was no Jazz. In the fourties, there was no Swing (or was that fifties?) In the 30s, whatever there was then, that was even slightly rockin', it didn't happen. DON'T YOU GET IT?! THE ONLY MUSIC THAT EVER EXISTED WAS DAVID AND THE HARP!! EVER!!
My other drastic opinion would be thatno music existed before 1980, considering the large quantity of lame hard rock bands in the 70s, and the lack thereof of any music of the "Heavy" nature before 1970, however, that opinion is one that gets you the WRONG PLACES in a forum, especially a Prog Forum, so that was not the opinion I elected to joking state, mostly because it's surprisingly accurate, and just may get mistaken for my actual attitude.
These two would be my drastic opinions. My actual opinion? Well, lets just say before 1980, it gets pretty sparse in the territory of me liking it. However, that, of course, does not mean music created before 1980 is not "Real", but it does mean that it is UNBEARABLE and probably should be eradicated from the earth. At least, to me
In retrospect: Close to the Edge would be the sole exception that comes to mind for my "1980" rule of thumb, coming in at a measly1972! I mean, it is Prog and all, but that doesn't mean it can't still be good! However, lets face it, in all honestly, even Judas Priest's 1978Hell Bent For Leather was, at times, pretty lame. I mean, sure, maybe it's actually pretty good, if you ignore the fact that "Delivering The Goods" is the best track, and that it seems like a early, lamer version of "Breaking the Law", with an annoying sexual theme, but lets face it, anything that came out before 1980 just didn't really have the quality standards that things did by at least 1984.
Consider the quantities of awesome things coming out by 1985! Stryper's "Soldiers Under Command" (1985), Yngwie Malmsteen's Rising Force's "Marching Out" (1985), even Tony Carey's "Some Tough City" (1984), even if it was a little on the softer side. Try to think of that many awesome albums before 1980. For me, it's impossible. As much as I want to say they aren't there, I'm sure there are some ultra-awesome Prog masterpieces, at least in some opinions, that came out before 1980.
But I guess what I'm saying is, for me, right now, thinking of anything all that great before 1980 (before 1981, really), is impossible.
Feel free to slam me with a bucketload of Prog albums that go over my head.
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