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Sweetnighter 
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Posted: December 11 2004 at 14:13 |
Why isn't Santana mentioned on here more often? His music is undeniably
progressive, and he played with many fusion players in the 70s.
 for Santana
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tuxon
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Posted: December 11 2004 at 14:38 |
Especially for you dear Sweetnighter I'll mention him once.
wait! I hear something coming
Santana
That wasn't so hard afterall
(very lame I know)
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Reed Lover
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Posted: December 11 2004 at 15:41 |
Santana are great. One of my favourites.
But not prog.
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dropForge
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Posted: December 12 2004 at 00:22 |
The closest Santana got to prog/fusion was on these albums:
Caravanserai (1973)
Welcome (1974)
1st solo album: The Swing Of Delight (1979)
2nd solo album: Oneness (1980)
The opening track on that last one will fool you...almost sounds Camel-ish.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: December 12 2004 at 00:40 |
Carlos Santana is one of my favorite musicians, a real genius, but not very related to prog.
Maybe Caravanserai and Love Devotion & Surrender with John Mc'Laughlin.
Iván
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Bryan
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Posted: December 12 2004 at 02:32 |
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It's kind of a shame about his latest couple of albums though...
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oliverstoned
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Posted: December 13 2004 at 04:56 |
 Sweetnighter wrote:
Why isn't Santana mentioned on here more often? His music is undeniably
progressive, and he played with many fusion players in the 70s.
for Santana
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Absolutetly right
For example "Caravanseraî" is a wonderful peace of world
jazz rock prog
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The Miracle
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Posted: August 14 2005 at 03:18 |
Welcome was boring for me. I love Abraxas and Supernatural, though
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DallasBryan
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Posted: August 14 2005 at 04:42 |
Santana should be here, Caravanserai, Abraxas,
Welcome, Borboletta are more progressive than
many of the english bands on PROGARCHIVES!
IF you consider the words PROGRESSIVE ROCK as
what it is, as opossed to the ENGLISH perversion of
the term. 
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Tony Fisher
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Posted: August 14 2005 at 05:14 |
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Caravanserai and Abraxas are masterpieces and undoubtedly prog - far more so than Queen or Rush. If they are here, so should Santana. However, like them, some of his work is not prog.
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dropForge
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Posted: August 14 2005 at 05:27 |
The Miracle wrote:
Welcome was boring for me. |
Bite your tongue! 
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dropForge
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Posted: August 14 2005 at 05:28 |
Tony Fisher wrote:
Caravanserai and Abraxas are masterpieces and undoubtedly prog |
You'll get no argument from me on that! And Carlos' early solo album Oneness has got quite a few proggy instances, too.
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Intruder
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Posted: August 14 2005 at 05:31 |
Caravanerai has been beautifully remastered.....fans of the album who bought the old Columbia "Nice Price" CD would be well served to pick this one up. A 100% improvement on a real early 70s fusion classic.
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I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....
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BaldJean
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Posted: August 14 2005 at 07:41 |
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I have always wondered about Santana myself. they definitely have their
prog moments. and albums like "Abraxas" or their excellent live album
"Moonflower" are prog pure, in my opinion. perhaps their style could be
named "Latin-Prog"
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M. B. Zapelini
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Posted: August 14 2005 at 08:52 |
Santana: prog-latin-fusion-rock????? 
"Lotus", recorded live in Japan, also has some prog moments.
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alan_pfeifer
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Posted: August 14 2005 at 09:29 |
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I've always considered him pregressive, but not in the same vein of bands as, say, Yes or Genesis. you have to look at what he did with his music to understand how he was preogressive.
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The Miracle
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Posted: August 14 2005 at 12:46 |
dropForge wrote:
The Miracle wrote:
Welcome was boring for me. |
Bite your tongue!
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Theres really not too much left to bite
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Tony R
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Posted: August 14 2005 at 13:58 |
He is so obviously not prog,for f**k's sake!!!
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Eetu Pellonpaa
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Posted: August 14 2005 at 14:18 |
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I found CD version of "Abraxas" from the discount shelf, and it's a good album. Perhaps too happy and easy for my taste? I'll have to make some re-checking at tomorrow's highway rush...
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spectral
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Posted: August 14 2005 at 14:22 |
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santana is cool. moonflower, abraxas and lotus are excellent. check out the vinyl version of Lotus.
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