The Atheist - Agnostic - Non religious thread

Can we have crusades and inquisitions too??

The T wrote: Damn I could go away with murder in heaven... I might start getting more into this religion thing... Wait, they are dead already. No fun.

I think nobody here - including me - actually know what is eternity. Because so much developing of science was not enough, and wil never be enough, to coherently explain everything. Always there will be another new subatomic "particle" to squeeze it all, giving an example. This Modern Physics sometimes lacks of good sense: nobody dares to say what there was before the Big Bang! It didn't happen by chance, even if it occurred "by chance" something already had to exist to make possible the "spontaneous birth", of course. For me everything in this Universe is a question of eternity - the compression and expansion of it, the polarization, the notion we have of what is united and what is dispersed, life and death, atheist or agnostic, and so on, an eternal question.

Edited by Rick Robson - February 06 2014 at 05:43

timothy leary wrote: Can we have crusades and inquisitions too??

presdoug wrote: There will always be space and time.They will exist forever. Matter and life don't need to be around for that to be. I feel living things, in order to think and sense, and have volition need the structure of the body to do their handiwork. When conciousness ceases, and the body rots, the energy has nothing to hold onto so it disperses into nothingness.                              These are some of my feelings and impressions.

I understand what you mean Doug, in fact The Physics theories tell the same about space and time, but the physicists are now realizing that space & time, matter & energy are much more interlaced in the subatomic universe, up to the point that all that concepts we have are totally relative. That's a whole new world they are just begining to dig into.


Edited by Rick Robson - February 06 2014 at 06:20

Rick Robson wrote: presdoug wrote: There will always be space and time.They will exist forever. Matter and life don't need to be around for that to be. I feel living things, in order to think and sense, and have volition need the structure of the body to do their handiwork. When conciousness ceases, and the body rots, the energy has nothing to hold onto so it disperses into nothingness.                              These are some of my feelings and impressions. I understand what you mean Doug, in fact The Physics theories tell the same about space and time, but the physicists are now realizing that space & time, matter & energy are much more interlaced in the subatomic universe, up to the point that all that concepts we have are totally relative. That's a whole new world they are just begining to dig into.

I wonder if the exception in relativity is the concept of eternity. For me it has to be absolut in order to exist.

While I'm not religious I have to say I fully respect those whom religion has given peace and harmony in their lives. I have cases very very close to me of people that were stressed and that had chaos in their lives and a new found belief (not in priests or anything but in something spiritual) has given them newer perspectives that seem to have changed (or at least improved) their lives. What is it to gain by being the ultra smart who insists on trying to convince them that their beliefs might possibly be wrong? 

The T wrote: While I'm not religious I have to say I fully respect those whom religion has given peace and harmony in their lives. I have cases very very close to me of people that were stressed and that had chaos in their lives and a new found belief (not in priests or anything but in something spiritual) has given them newer perspectives that seem to have changed (or at least improved) their lives. What is it to gain by being the ultra smart who insists on trying to convince them that their beliefs might possibly be wrong?

That would depend on the specific beliefs I suppose.

Equality 7-2521 wrote: Rick Robson wrote: presdoug wrote: There will always be space and time.They will exist forever. Matter and life don't need to be around for that to be. I feel living things, in order to think and sense, and have volition need the structure of the body to do their handiwork. When conciousness ceases, and the body rots, the energy has nothing to hold onto so it disperses into nothingness.                              These are some of my feelings and impressions. I understand what you mean Doug, in fact The Physics theories tell the same about space and time, but the physicists are now realizing that space & time, matter & energy are much more interlaced in the subatomic universe, up to the point that all that concepts we have are totally relative. That's a whole new world they are just begining to dig into. Both of you should really try to get a better understanding of physics. I mean that in a completely non-quarrelsome way.

 
It's OK man, but I'm not really interested about what Physics has to tell about space and time, because it doesn't treat them in the phylosphical way. As far as I'm concerned, it uses them as separate "entities" in order to formulate their theories.
 
I'm only questioning the concept we have of space and time (including the concept of eternity).

presdoug wrote: Rick Robson wrote: Rick Robson wrote: presdoug wrote: There will always be space and time.They will exist forever. Matter and life don't need to be around for that to be. I feel living things, in order to think and sense, and have volition need the structure of the body to do their handiwork. When conciousness ceases, and the body rots, the energy has nothing to hold onto so it disperses into nothingness.                              These are some of my feelings and impressions. I understand what you mean Doug, in fact The Physics theories tell the same about space and time, but the physicists are now realizing that space & time, matter & energy are much more interlaced in the subatomic universe, up to the point that all that concepts we have are totally relative. That's a whole new world they are just begining to dig into. I wonder if the exception in relativity is the concept of eternity. For me it has to be absolut in order to exist. Interesting what you have pointed out, Rick. I am not that schooled in physics, but am aware of the world of sub-atomic particles being opened up to our scrutiny, and the concept that space is not necessarily a void, but seems to act as if it isn't. If we don't go down the tubes environmentally in the next 50 to 70 years, it will be something to see how our physics knowledge and it's applications will play out. I am VERY nervous and pessimistic about the environmental question, though, as our world is constantly being raped by some very greedy people.                 As for the concept of eternity , yeah, i see what you are getting at. It either is an absolute, or it isn't. And it must be for it to be what it is.

 
If we are alive until there... but as you said it's a very delicate question still overlooked by the human selfishness. It seems their only concern is the "particles acceleration"...