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Nogbad_The_Bad 
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 Posted: January 30 2014 at 17:36 |
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Rational discourse?
Improved academic results?
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Ian
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Luna
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Posted: January 30 2014 at 17:42 |
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You're right, this country is completely and utterly hopeless for any intelligence to come about.
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Dean
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Posted: January 30 2014 at 17:59 |
 Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Dean wrote:
That is a completely absurd statement that a Neanderthal would find incredulous. |
We all know it's Neanderthal Dean, only Ralph seems to think it's Neanderthol (Read his comments in the photo).
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I know it was the idiot atheists spelling error and not yours. If you cannot credit me with some intelligence then at least credit me with the ability to read.
ffs.
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The T
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Posted: January 30 2014 at 18:03 |
Looking at it from the positive side, at least half the population won't go to hell if creationists turn out to be right 
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Dean
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Posted: January 30 2014 at 18:30 |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: January 30 2014 at 18:36 |
Honestly, can't believe that almost 50% of the population are creationists.
The literal interpretation of the old testament is rejected by Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans and most Protestant denominations.
So this means most Christians in USA are Evangelicals o Jehovah Witness.
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timothy leary
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Posted: January 30 2014 at 18:43 |
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Since it was a book written about Jewish history not surprised by all the rejections.
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Dean
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Posted: January 30 2014 at 18:48 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Honestly, can't believe that almost 50% of the population are creationists.
The literal interpretation of the old testament is rejected by Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans and most Protestant denominations.
So this means most Christians in USA are Evangelicals o Jehovah Witness. |
if you believe that 46% is almost 50% then this Gallup poll from 2012 addresses your doubt:
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: January 30 2014 at 19:14 |
timothy leary wrote:
Since it was a book written about Jewish history not surprised by all the rejections. |
The Old Testament is not properly history.
It's more a collection of stories told orally hundreds of years and then written after the original message was distorted by the additions done on each generation.
We have no problem because it was about Hebrew people, it's because of how an oral story changes on each generation
Iván
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timothy leary
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Posted: January 30 2014 at 19:26 |
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Whatever you say, expert on Jewish history
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: January 30 2014 at 19:49 |
timothy leary wrote:
Whatever you say, expert on Jewish history |
At least Biblical history yes, I'm more or less an expert due to my studies of theology.
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presdoug
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Posted: January 30 2014 at 21:02 |
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I'm an evilutionist, really, Hah! kust jidding.
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Luna
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Posted: January 30 2014 at 21:06 |
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The T
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Posted: January 31 2014 at 08:07 |
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It's interesting how Dawkins and all the troll atheists that discredit those who really do not believe only target Christianism in all its many forms in their attacks. Or at least I am unaware that they are as virulent against Islam or the Jewish faith, among others. Afraid to lose their heads? Afraid to be called anti-semites? Christianism is an easy target but a true troll-atheist like Ralph or Dawkins should attacks them all the same.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: January 31 2014 at 08:14 |
Dawkins attacks all religions. I think you notice the attacks on Christianity if your Christian, you're less likely to notice the attacks on other religions as they don't affect you personally. Also the big media markets where Dawkins can have the most impact are predominately Christian so he focuses on those areas. He's going to have less impact getting his message across talking about Muslims in a predominately Christian country.
He's hardly a troll, he puts forward his arguments in books and discussion forums. If you attack Christians with the same vitriol that Christians attack atheist this makes you a troll?
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Ian
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 31 2014 at 08:18 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Honestly, can't believe that almost 50% of the population are creationists.
The literal interpretation of the old testament is rejected by Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans and most Protestant denominations.
So this means most Christians in USA are Evangelicals o Jehovah Witness. |
I didn't make the number up. Dean has posted my source. American Protestantism is evangelistic. And belief in Creationism exists in other sects such as Catholics.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Dean
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Posted: January 31 2014 at 08:19 |
^^^ not sure about Dawkins specifically without Googling (which I cannot be arsed to do), but certainly the so-called "Four Horsemen of the Non-Apocalypse" spoke out against all religions, including judaism, islam and buddhism. They tend to single out fundamentalist christianity because it is the western religion that presents the greater affect on everyday life in the west.
/edit damn, ninja'd by Nogin's wicked uncle
Edited by Dean - January 31 2014 at 08:23
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 31 2014 at 08:19 |
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Rational discourse?
Improved academic results? |
You're confusing a symptom of ignorance with a cause of it.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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The T
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Posted: January 31 2014 at 08:31 |
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Dawkins attacks all religions. I think you notice the attacks on Christianity if your Christian, you're less likely to notice the attacks on other religions as they don't affect you personally. Also the big media markets where Dawkins can have the most impact are predominately Christian so he focuses on those areas. He's going to have less impact getting his message across talking about Muslims in a predominately Christian country.
He's hardly a troll, he puts forward his arguments in books and discussion forums. If you attack Christians with the same vitriol that Christians attack atheist this makes you a troll? |
I'm not Christian, though obviously much closer to it than to any other religion due to my culture, you are right. I still think their attacks on other more-violent religions are not as obvious as those to Christianity.
I'm calling them trolls because they have turned a lack of belief, a lack of desire to join a movement, into something resembling one, and I think for every person they manage to "convert", they make another one that was religious already a little bit more extreme. Statements like the idiocy of Ralph above with its "pedophile in the Vatican" are not precisely... enlightened.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: January 31 2014 at 08:51 |
Oh I agree that they have an agenda to recruit, the more people 'converted' to their cause clearly helps their lobbying.
Speaking personally I grew up in the UK as an indifferent agnostic. I did have born-again friends who tried to save me but otherwise there is very little in your face Christianity in the UK. I've lived in the USA the last 15 years and the number of people who feel it is their duty to proselytize is dramatically different. They've effectively converted me to a militant atheist as they've only made me think harder about my beliefs and just ignoring them leads to a higher level of frustration than discussing issues with them.
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