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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: January 22 2014 at 04:13 |
I got partly into progressive rock through my father being a Procol Harum fan, so I guess they count.
On a serious note, I'm not sure exactly what is the definition of "dad rock". Is it just a catchall slang term for classic rock, or does it mean music from that era that doesn't appeal to younger generations too?
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Posted: January 22 2014 at 06:31 |
infandous wrote:
Guldbamsen wrote:
The Flower Kings pretty much sums up dad-prog for me, but then again that's just me. |
Huh, that seems odd to me. They are not "smooth" or predictable (unless you don't really listen to their albums from start to finish....if you just take the tunes that are most popular from them, you might think this I guess) . They delve into multiple genres, from jazz to avant guard, blues to classical, German ambient to mainstream pop.
Of course, all of this is just opinion from both of us.
However, I got into the Flower Kings when I was still in my 20's and had no children or a wife. Therefore, they don't qualify as dad-prog
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Well it seems that we hear this music differently. I have tried time and again with Flower Power, The Sum of no Evil and Banks of Eden and the one thing that I personally feel is omnipresent, is a distinct 'smoothness' to the overall sound, as well as the good old trusty game called "spot the influence". I do rather enjoy some of the instrumentals sections, but similarly to a group like Transatlantic, I still have to wade through vocals that I really can't stand, sorry Stolt and Morse fans.
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Posted: January 22 2014 at 06:46 |
I get the feeling that the whole definition of "dad-prog" is generation-dependent. If I have to define dad-prog based on my own perception, I think that Big Big Train's Leopards is a fine example. It may be hardly prog, or not at all, but I can imagine my late old man listening to such a song on a Saturday morning between eleven and twelve.
But that was one generation ago. My daughter (18) calls everything that is proggier than The Beatles or Muse "beaver-music". If that is a synonym for dad-prog it is rather a super- than a subgenre.
Speaking for myself, I think "dad-prog" would apply mostly to an album like Fright Pig's Out of the Barnyard because the music on this album has a strong 70's feel (which is no wonder: Fright Pig uses only keyboards from 1983 and before).
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Posted: January 22 2014 at 07:03 |
As a cantankerous old man who thinks that music sufficiently Prog enough
to fill its own bra disappeared circa 1979, I can only endorse this
brilliantly titled thread. (Though I don't have kids and have never considered breast feeding a spectator sport - which is probably why I abhor the likes of Wobbler, Black Bonzo, Areknames et al as lactose intolerant retro teat hoggers)
When I was your age, I was your age.
I guess that Dad Prog
would be maybe Snow Goose by Camel (which I love) or anything by that
Oldfield chap or the Moody Blues (both of whom I loathe heartily) .
These three examples share the stylistic qualities of gentle, tonic and
conservative music but GOOD gentle, tonic and conservative music trumps
S.H.I.T gentle, tonic and conservative music every time. (irrespective
of genre so give me Abba/Copland over Beefheart/Webern any day) However, Junior Prog can be every bit as bland and anodyne as Dad Prog surely? (Big Big Train, Riverside, Dream Theater etc) Is Neo considered Dad Prog also? (I hope so as it sucks hugely)
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implication that music deemed to be progressive and created in 20XX is
somehow less conservative or taking bigger risks than any precursor
from 40 years before is palpably ridiculous. Fripp was correct: in the
1970's we had a market economy, we now have a market society.
Edited by ExittheLemming - January 22 2014 at 07:04
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Horizons
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Posted: January 22 2014 at 07:08 |
Guldbamsen wrote:
infandous wrote:
Guldbamsen wrote:
The Flower Kings pretty much sums up dad-prog for me, but then again that's just me. |
Huh, that seems odd to me. They are not "smooth" or predictable (unless you don't really listen to their albums from start to finish....if you just take the tunes that are most popular from them, you might think this I guess) . They delve into multiple genres, from jazz to avant guard, blues to classical, German ambient to mainstream pop.
Of course, all of this is just opinion from both of us.
However, I got into the Flower Kings when I was still in my 20's and had no children or a wife. Therefore, they don't qualify as dad-prog
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Well it seems that we hear this music differently. I have tried time and again with Flower Power, The Sum of no Evil and Banks of Eden and the one thing that I personally feel is omnipresent, is a distinct 'smoothness' to the overall sound, as well as the good old trusty game called "spot the influence". I do rather enjoy some of the instrumentals sections, but similarly to a group like Transatlantic, I still have to wade through vocals that I really can't stand, sorry Stolt and Morse fans. |
True. Though what is this German Ambient?
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Posted: January 22 2014 at 11:02 |
In response - Horizons - Aye Transatlantic - The Whirlwind - the music is truly magnificent - but the Christian "Jesus loves you! and is the panacea for all the ills of modern society" basically crawls down my urethra and irritates more than Non-specific urethritis!!!
Lemming - I too love Snow Goose, but I also Love Riverside and DT !!!
Someone else - Beaver Music ??? - To me "Beaver" possibly means something different than to your 18 YO Daughter Thus that would be music for wimmin - i.e. Boybands & sh*t like that !!!
Edited by M27Barney - January 22 2014 at 11:03
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: January 22 2014 at 13:54 |
Kate Bush is Dad Prog for many reasons.
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: January 23 2014 at 05:35 |
Horizons wrote:
True. Though what is this German Ambient? |
Probably referring to the progressive electronic music that came out of the Kosmische Musik subculture ("Krautrock" to non-Teutons): Ashra, Cluster, Klaus Schulze, Tangerine Dream etc.
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Posted: January 23 2014 at 05:56 |
M27Barney wrote:
In response - Horizons - Aye Transatlantic - The Whirlwind - the music is truly magnificent - but the Christian "Jesus loves you! and is the panacea for all the ills of modern society" basically crawls down my urethra and irritates more than Non-specific urethritis!!!
Lemming - I too love Snow Goose, but I also Love Riverside and DT !!!
Someone else - Beaver Music ??? - To me "Beaver" possibly means something different than to your 18 YO Daughter Thus that would be music for wimmin - i.e. Boybands & sh*t like that !!! |
She gave me the nickname "beaver" some years ago. And now that she is studying to become an English teacher it won't be long before she becomes aware of the connotation of this word in anglophone countries, which has entered only recently into my mind .
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: January 23 2014 at 06:02 |
I just think of this:
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Posted: January 23 2014 at 11:01 |
Toaster Mantis wrote:
Horizons wrote:
True. Though what is this German Ambient? |
Probably referring to the progressive electronic music that came out of the Kosmische Musik subculture ("Krautrock" to non-Teutons): Ashra, Cluster, Klaus Schulze, Tangerine Dream etc.
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Yes, exactly. I couldn't think of the correct title. "Krautrock" is a bit too broad, and includes bands that did symphonic prog, psychedelic freak out, and other sub-genres; so I didn't want to use that. Progressive Electronic was what I was going for (a minor influence for TFK's, but still present).
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