JAZZ vs CLASSICAL

Jazz I suppose, but I'm not crazy about it.

Why is this in Prog Polls

I grew up in a very rock-oriented household, and had a very minimal exposure to either of these genres. Luckily a lot of the rock my parents listen to is progressive; Rush, Yes, Kansas, Dream Theater, some others. And from those bands I found other Prog Rock band, some implementing a lot of jazz and or classical themes into the music. This made me a bit more eager to listen to jazz. Classical, however, for some reason is not as much my cup of tea. I think it may be because of the American society's attitude towards classical works. Aside from soundtracks, really all the classical you hear these days is used in a TV show or whatever, either to make something seem all fancy and posh, or to emphasize the fact that an old character is old. I grew up never hearing classical music as music, but as a novelty. Still trying to get into it

They're both great, but classical gets my vote. I might get thrown out of my master's program if I said otherwise 

smartpatrol wrote: I think it may be because of the American society's attitude towards classical works. Aside from soundtracks, really all the classical you hear these days is used in a TV show or whatever, either to make something seem all fancy and posh, or to emphasize the fact that an old character is old. I grew up never hearing classical music as music, but as a novelty. Still trying to get into it

Unfortunately this is not happening only in the American society´s new generation, but also in the south american young generation. I think this is quite disappointing, and alarming warning for the sake of such a complex and magnificent genre that is the classical music, very sad fact.

Edited by Rick Robson - January 08 2014 at 16:20

Can't choose, no vote.

Rick Robson wrote: smartpatrol wrote: I think it may be because of the American society's attitude towards classical works. Aside from soundtracks, really all the classical you hear these days is used in a TV show or whatever, either to make something seem all fancy and posh, or to emphasize the fact that an old character is old. I grew up never hearing classical music as music, but as a novelty. Still trying to get into it Unfortunately this is not happening only in the American society´s new generation, but also in the south american young generation. I think this is quite disappointing, and alarming warning for the sake of such a complex and magnificent genre that is the classical music, very sad fact.

What is also alarming is the ignoring of the golden age of classical music interpretation, roughly 1850-1950.
  Arturo Toscanini, for example is almost completely unknown to young classical music fans, and that is a crime. Wilhelm Backhaus as pianist? Wil who? These great artists died a long time ago,mind you, but their greatness has been recorded in sound and video recordings. I wish there was something i could do to bring that to the ears of smartpatrol and many others.

I don't like Classical music at all and traditional Jazz is just as bad, but thankfully in the late sixties Jazz got a jolt of electricity and I love it. An easy choice for me.

smartpatrol wrote: Why is this in Prog Polls I grew up in a very rock-oriented household, and had a very minimal exposure to either of these genres. Luckily a lot of the rock my parents listen to is progressive; Rush, Yes, Kansas, Dream Theater, some others. And from those bands I found other Prog Rock band, some implementing a lot of jazz and or classical themes into the music. This made me a bit more eager to listen to jazz. Classical, however, for some reason is not as much my cup of tea. I think it may be because of the American society's attitude towards classical works. Aside from soundtracks, really all the classical you hear these days is used in a TV show or whatever, either to make something seem all fancy and posh, or to emphasize the fact that an old character is old. I grew up never hearing classical music as music, but as a novelty. Still trying to get into it

If I were you I would start with some contemporary, more dissonant or avant-garde-ish classical works.  You would probably enjoy many 20th century composers.  Arnold Schoenberg, Benjamin Britten, Bela Bartok, George Crumb, etc.

This guy has composed some really good classical/neoclassical stuff that almost sounds like progressive rock sometimes.  A bit of a plug since he's one of my good friends at university, but I've always thought his music had some of the prog aesthetic in it and would appeal to the people here. 

presdoug wrote: Rick Robson wrote: smartpatrol wrote: I think it may be because of the American society's attitude towards classical works. Aside from soundtracks, really all the classical you hear these days is used in a TV show or whatever, either to make something seem all fancy and posh, or to emphasize the fact that an old character is old. I grew up never hearing classical music as music, but as a novelty. Still trying to get into it Unfortunately this is not happening only in the American society´s new generation, but also in the south american young generation. I think this is quite disappointing, and alarming warning for the sake of such a complex and magnificent genre that is the classical music, very sad fact. What is also alarming is the ignoring of the golden age of classical music interpretation, roughly 1850-1950.  Arturo Toscanini, for example is almost completely unknown to young classical music fans, and that is a crime. Wilhelm Backhaus as pianist? Wil who? These great artists died a long time ago,mind you, but their greatness has been recorded in sound and video recordings. I wish there was something i could do to bring that to the ears of smartpatrol and many others.

Agreed. A lot of friends of mine listen to classical much more than myself, but used to close their minds with Mozart and beethoven. there are a lot of great and underground classical composers, even into experimentalism.

But again, I can't exchange any classical piece for my sweet Coltrane.


Edited by VOTOMS - January 08 2014 at 21:21

Ambient Hurricanes wrote: smartpatrol wrote: Why is this in Prog Polls I grew up in a very rock-oriented household, and had a very minimal exposure to either of these genres. Luckily a lot of the rock my parents listen to is progressive; Rush, Yes, Kansas, Dream Theater, some others. And from those bands I found other Prog Rock band, some implementing a lot of jazz and or classical themes into the music. This made me a bit more eager to listen to jazz. Classical, however, for some reason is not as much my cup of tea. I think it may be because of the American society's attitude towards classical works. Aside from soundtracks, really all the classical you hear these days is used in a TV show or whatever, either to make something seem all fancy and posh, or to emphasize the fact that an old character is old. I grew up never hearing classical music as music, but as a novelty. Still trying to get into it If I were you I would start with some contemporary, more dissonant or avant-garde-ish classical works.  You would probably enjoy many 20th century composers.  Arnold Schoenberg, Benjamin Britten, Bela Bartok, George Crumb, etc.

Good range of twentieth century composers. I'll post some pieces for you in the shred, Andrew.

Regarding upbringing, three of my immediate relatives are jazz musicians, and I grew up hearing jazz all the time. Because of this, I was kind of numb to it. A year ago, I would have chosen classical, no problem. But these days, I have grown as attached to jazz as I am classical. Both genres, to me, are goldmines for a lot of great music.