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Toaster Mantis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 12 2008 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 5898 |
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Not so fast bucko. I've actually written a term paper at college a couple years ago about the limits of physicalism, and back then the actually available evidence suggested that the identity between physical conditions in the brain and mental states is nowhere as clear-cut as certain people like to suggest. This article suggests it's still as controversial, as does the rest of the debate about the ethics of psychiatric medication which has been raging very strongly in the UK media recently.
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"The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook
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Equality 7-2521 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
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That article suggests nothing. There's nothing scientific in it. A quote from a philosopher who died long before the field of neuroscience existed properly marks the closest that it came to presenting any source for the claims made.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Equality 7-2521 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Equality 7-2521 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
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I showed this video to my students this morning to teach a few meta-mathematical things and give them an example of a series.
1+2+3+...=-1/12 It garnered more interest than I expected so I thought I'd post it here. |
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Padraic ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169 |
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Very cool, interesting paradox which starts with the Grandi's series (1, -1, 1, ...). Although I don't like the manipulations that led to it's sum = 1/2.
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Icarium ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: March 21 2008 Location: Tigerstaden Status: Offline Points: 34083 |
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Its the ofdest time sig coveyed in music
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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He could have done S-(-S) = 2S = 1
1-1+1-1+... and 1+2+3+4+... are still a divergent series. |
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Padraic ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169 |
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That's what he did do. And indeed they are.
Edited by Padraic - January 09 2014 at 11:07 |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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Yeah, I meant he could have shown that's what he did, he just said it averages at ½.
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Padraic ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169 |
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I'd be interested in hearing the dialogue that Pat had with his students about it.
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Equality 7-2521 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
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The manipulation is not valid. It's the right intuition that would lead you to proving the result rigorously using Ramanujan summation. |
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Equality 7-2521 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
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I'm not positive that I'm eloquent enough for it to have been that interesting. I tried to remind them about the dangers of conflating the colloquial meaning of words and the technical meaning of words ('the sum is'), how intuition and specifically usual arithmetic manipulations do not carry over to the infinite, and the fact that even really silly and recreational looking things in math tend to have profound ramifications on our world. |
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Equality 7-2521 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
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Pat: An elementary and sound explanation is given here if you would like to read it.
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Padraic ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169 |
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Maybe it's the infinite part, but: aren't the natural numbers closed under addition?
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Equality 7-2521 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
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They are. However, addition is only a binary operation +: N x N -> N
Using the inductive principle, you can easily extend this to an operation on any finite number of inputs because of associativity. However, it cannot be extended to the infinite. With usual infinite summation, you're considering a limit of finite sums which can leave your closed Ring. This is how we deal with real numbers: as the limit of a sequence of rationals. |
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Padraic ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169 |
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Ha! This quote perfectly expresses how I feel about this! "The divergent series are the invention of the devil, and it is a shame to base on them any demonstration whatsoever." ![]() |
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Equality 7-2521 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
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Old mathematicians were pithy as hell.
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King of Loss ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 21 2005 Location: Boston, MA Status: Offline Points: 16890 |
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Maybe you can explain that mathematical effect to our politicians.
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King of Loss ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 21 2005 Location: Boston, MA Status: Offline Points: 16890 |
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I found this video watching Pat's video on the sum of 1+2+3+4+5+….=-1/12, I have found this video:
I think it's quite interesting because mathematics also affects our personal privacy! |
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A Person ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 10 2008 Location: __ Status: Offline Points: 65760 |
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I just started a course on cryptography on Coursera. It turns out cryptography is difficult.
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