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Hammar
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Topic: Most overrated prog band Posted: April 01 2004 at 14:47 |
As a contradiction to the "most underrated..." thread, I would like to know your opinion about this. In addition I would like comments on my suggestion. I guess I'll blow up a fire here...
In my opinion Magma is the most overrated progband. I do know why, but I'll comment on that later. I like many french progbands and I'm far into jazz/rock, art-rock, avant-rock (or wherever you will place this band ), but Magma? Nope!
I don't know if this topic has been covered before, but since there are a few new members on this forum and it's 1st of April.....
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Posted: April 01 2004 at 15:15 |
the list can be long...but I'm just going to attack what is commonly accepted...so if I except the pseudo metal prog scene it will be a majority of 80s prog bands led by horrible FM bands like Asia or Saga...I also want to add Pink Floyd...this group has send his soul to the business devil...it's just my opinion of things, nothing unniversal...but don't be manipulated and blinded by the mass media.
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Posted: April 01 2004 at 15:18 |
Ho, yes I forgot to mention Journey (if it is considered as prog)...this commercial bands only know to make hits musically poor (only what they did at their very beginning deserves attention)
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Hammar
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Posted: April 01 2004 at 15:29 |
Ok, bands like Asia and Journey....they are really bad! But, in my narrow mind, since their music is so terrible, and unlike Magma, I don't consider them as prog (I know they are!). hmm, makes sence...
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Posted: April 01 2004 at 17:35 |
I'm not so sure about their classification. they're either talented rock groups or uninspired prog bands. It makes sense to call them prog (albeit deplorable bands, they do show some indications of prog). Magma is an interesting band. I've only heard one of their songs, (From this site), and they seem to me like kraut rock with a bit of classical influence. they have an interesting sound that should definitely classified as prog.
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Posted: April 01 2004 at 17:51 |
Sorry,
Marillion is over-rated. The Fish era was a Genesis clone band and Hogarth is a hair metal 80's style vocalist singing pumped up pop songs. Sorry. I love their instrumental "sound" but vocally, MEAGOR!!!!
I think Tauhd will support me in this, MOST neo-Prog is meagor.
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Posted: April 01 2004 at 18:03 |
Rush is completely overated who, in my opinion doesn't even fit into the category of prog (and I don't want to start up the old what is/what isn't prog argument again either!). Also I could never figure out what all the hype is/was about early Genesis, sure I bought the albums but for me there were tons and tons of other bands which were much more interesting back in the seventies.
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Posted: April 01 2004 at 18:50 |
i have to say ASIA and lately YES, sorry, the Yes that i started to hear and the one that is playing today is totally different
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Posted: April 01 2004 at 18:55 |
Vibrationbaby wrote:
Rush is completely overated who, in my opinion doesn't even fit into the category of prog (and I don't want to start up the old what is/what isn't prog argument again either!). Also I could never figure out what all the hype is/was about early Genesis, sure I bought the albums but for me there were tons and tons of other bands which were much more interesting back in the seventies. |
I think it's quite obvious that in the 80s, Rush departed from their progressive roots. if you are referring to anything from permanent waves on, you might have a valid point; but still, there is no way in hell you are going to classify La Villa Strangiato and other 70s Rush tunes as non-prog. (with the exception of their debut, of course.
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Posted: April 01 2004 at 22:52 |
Pre 80s - Emerson, Lake and Palmer. 90% pretension, 10% talent
80s and on - Yes. Overwhelmingly. They sucked in the 80s yet somehow were leading the "revolution"
Thanks guys. Owner of a , more like.
I love Yes now, but they've managed to salvage their careers because of Open your Eyes and The Ladder (and the symphonic)
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It's the same guy. Great minds think alike.
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Posted: April 02 2004 at 03:50 |
I think that the only prog scene which can't receive negative critics is Krautrock...True music made by musicians who are currently out of the music business system!
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Posted: April 02 2004 at 06:14 |
Old School: E.L.P.
New School: Pallas
Italian School: Consorzio Acqua Potabile
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Posted: April 02 2004 at 07:43 |
Vibrationbaby wrote:
Rush is completely overated who, in my opinion doesn't even fit into the category of prog (and I don't want to start up the old what is/what isn't prog argument again either!). Also I could never figure out what all the hype is/was about early Genesis, sure I bought the albums but for me there were tons and tons of other bands which were much more interesting back in the seventies. |
Taste in music (as with food, or even love) is an individual thing. Some people love opera, some country, others punk. That doesn't make the popularity of a band/artform you don't enjoy "hype."
This thread seems destined (if not designed) to offend others.
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Posted: April 02 2004 at 07:54 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
This thread seems destined (if not designed) to offend others. |
Which is why I've not taken part
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Posted: April 02 2004 at 08:17 |
Jim Garten wrote:
Peter Rideout wrote:
This thread seems destined (if not designed) to offend others.
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Which is why I've not taken part |
A wise man, that Jim Garten!
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Posted: April 02 2004 at 08:37 |
Yeah, this thread is highly over rated.
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Posted: April 02 2004 at 09:24 |
AMEN(CORNER)!! ...i do not think this thread was designed to offend..the nature of many queastions on this site neccesitates a yay or nay response and therefore a potential to offend...but still there is a difference between healthy discussion and confrontational falsification(as is neccessary in the Scientific method)...which is not really needed on a site such as this......so lets just stick to being silly and liking prog.....and putting up with twats like me ..stay safe freinds!!!
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Posted: April 02 2004 at 10:04 |
Gaston wrote:
Pre 80s - Emerson, Lake and Palmer. 90% pretension, 10% talent
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Well..in fact It can be defended
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: April 02 2004 at 11:24 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
Vibrationbaby wrote:
Rush is completely overated who, in my opinion doesn't even fit into the category of prog (and I don't want to start up the old what is/what isn't prog argument again either!). Also I could never figure out what all the hype is/was about early Genesis, sure I bought the albums but for me there were tons and tons of other bands which were much more interesting back in the seventies. |
Taste in music (as with food, or even love) is an individual thing. Some people love opera, some country, others punk. That doesn't make the popularity of a band/artform you don't enjoy "hype."
This thread seems destined (if not designed) to offend others. |
Woa! If I took personal offence everytime someone disagreed with my music I'd be in a world of ****. I think if someone tends to favour a particular band they're going to personally overate it to a certain extent. For example, I can't understand how my wife can't enjoy my Guru Guru or Brainticket albums. I guess since I have been listening to this stuff for eons I over-rate it. I have always thought Rush have been over-rated ( don't tell me there wasn't a lot of hype about this band over the years!) but I still like their classic stuff. Cygnus X-1 and La Villa are for eg. are brilliant pieces. But I would always be saying to my friends c'mon they're not that great. One band which I recently saw here in Montreal for the first time which is definitely NOT over-rated despite the hype (in my personal opinion) is Dream Theater. Fantastic stuff. 3 hour set!
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: April 02 2004 at 11:25 |
philippe wrote:
I think that the only prog scene which can't receive negative critics is Krautrock...True music made by musicians who are currently out of the music business system! |
Right on the money there
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