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timothy leary ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 29 2005 Location: Lilliwaup, Wa. Status: Offline Points: 5319 |
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What role did the back brace he was wearing play. One doctor claims it contributed to his death by keeping him in an upright position.
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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I've read that theory before. Yes, the body brace is said to have prevented JFK from reacting like any normal body would after a shot in the throat and probably bend over in pain, or backwards gasping for air, making it more difficult for the shooter to aim so precise a shot as the one that actually killed him. He was a sitting duck thanks to that brace. The first shot went clear, no bone, no essentials destroyed. JFK would have survived.
But that's like saying that he would have lived if he had been traveling faster or on a different road or anything else. In the end it's all nothingness. |
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20666 |
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Has anyone done a poll on the Kennedy Assassination on this site? It woud be interesting to see what proggers think as opposed to other national polls.
-Oswald as lone gunman
-A conspiracy
-Or undecided
I was 12 years old when it happened and didn't really understand all of it until I was about 17 or18 and didn't even get all the meanings until reading a few books some years after that.
I've been on the fence with this since the 70's.....I'm undecided. There are good arguments for both sides.
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65616 |
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The brace may have played a significant role, it certainly didn't help. But that doesn't necessarily mean he would've lived. The shot through the neck was quite serious, bruising his cervical spine and windpipe. JFK was also a terribly afflicted man with Addison's (a malfunctioning of the adrenals), a not-fully-healed spine from an old operation, and numerous other ailments caused by the steroids and pain-killers he was taking daily. Another interesting thing about the neck wound is that, in my opinion based on years of research, the shot that went through Kennedy's neck hit him at a steep angle at the top of the neck right at his hairline, traveled through the trachea and went on to wound Connally. But JFK was hit again, the second shot that hit him, in the upper back just right of the spine as seen in autopsy photos of his back. This bullet only went in an inch or two, embedded in JFK's large back muscles, and somehow was dislodged. Only then did the head shot strike. This has caused much confusion because the Warren Report claimed only three shots could be fired from Oswald's old Italian rifle during the time frame of the shooting ~ approximately 5 to 7 seconds ~ and that the first shot missed, the second hit JFK in the back and then hit Connally, the third shot hit the President's skull. I believe the Commission was wrong, and after locking themselves into the 'Only three shots were possible and one missed' conclusion, had to avoid the issue of more shots. This was a shame and tainted future investigations. Whoever was shooting at the President, if it was only one person, must've got off at least four rounds, assuming the timing is right and one shot missed. Edited by Atavachron - November 19 2013 at 21:55 |
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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Wasn't there some evidence presented to the Warren commission (behind closed doors) that a 70 year injunction was slapped on? if so I guess we can hear what that is 20 years from now.
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65616 |
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Yeah we'll see
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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^^^ I think there was a 70 year injunction slapped on some new evidence in the Princess Diana death fiasco. This was apparently done out of "respect for the families feelings" etc
You can make what you will of these things. |
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someone_else ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: May 02 2008 Location: Going Bananas Status: Offline Points: 24639 |
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Maybe you'll find some interesting material here.
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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
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What?
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Guldbamsen ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23104 |
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I am not sure what to think anymore. Too many options and information that goes in all directions. What I always found a little puzzling though, was the subsequent assassination of Robert. Back when I was younger I felt there was a connection there, but then again both of the brothers made powerful foes with their outspoken opinions on race discrimination and (anti) war.
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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No idea. The story broke about two years ago in the UK, in the Daily Mail but there is not a trace of it on the web now. More recently some former SAS officer claimed he had evidence that the SAS were involved in her death, but he - coincidentally had a book coming out - and that too has gone silent. probably BS. |
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VanderGraafKommandöh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
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2 years ago? Almost the day after she died the conspiracies started.
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65616 |
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Unfortunately but unsurprisingly, most of these rebuttals lack imagination and bring little new to the table. The evidence they rebuff is a small percentage and they ignore many other important facts. You can't say there was no gunsmoke in the street when senators and motorcycle cops are reporting it. You might say that doesn't prove conspiracy, but not that these people were imagining it, are un-credible, or are untrained observers. One alternate possibility is that Ruby and Oswald planned & did the job themselves for a tidy sum, and were either set-up, or word got out and someone wanted to make sure the assassination was successful by placing a second shooter in Dealy Plaza. If established, the investigation could've then followed a money trail (if any). |
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JJLehto ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
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Oh wow, was gunna make a thread on the actual day...but I see this is already going strong.
Well, crazy to think 50 years has gone, and it's of course just a page in history books for me...
I also heard about that 70 year thing, it was from a teacher...I didn't buy it, especially since I wondered what it was based on (the urban legends spawned about this are amazing). I only did a quick search, but thus far I can't find anything about it.
Would be nice if one day the truth really did come out.
Unless of course the truth is, there is no conspiracy
![]() I'll admit, I never really looked into the JFK thing, just know all the various stories and claims. I've seen a few shows/clips where people recreated the exact situation of the car, and the bullet would've had a perfectly straight path, causing all the injuries. It was something like, Connally is sitting a bit below and skewed to the side of Kennedy so couldn't a bullet on a straight, downward trajectory have hit Kennedy in the neck, Connally in the back and down to his thigh.
I mean, just a quick look...it seems like it is very plausible. If anyone cares to explain how this magic bullet theory came to be I'd like to hear. It seems insane to think so many people could've gotten their seating position wrong but look, at least here seems possible a straight path could've caused all the wounds.
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JJLehto ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
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I was one person who reported you for being under age when you first came on, which was only due to your.....questionable attitude. See? I'm being polite to you...I was thinking something much worse to say.
Otherwise I wouldnt have cared. You're of age now, but the tude has remained, and I have seen fighting with admins and such language at them get people banned before.
Anyway, here's an interesting one.
The assassination was...an accident?
Guess it could make sense, I just have never heard anything remotely close to it, and even the article claims no one has ever claimed to hear bullets from that area. Though, if it DID happen...it would make sense to cover it up, such a horrible event from a simple accident? Which would explain why witnesses may have been intimidated, trails thrown off, etc etc the 70 year hold on info. Would answer questions how Oswald fired so many bullets in that time
.....IT ALL MAKES SENSE ![]() Edited by JJLehto - November 21 2013 at 10:35 |
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65616 |
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^ It's an old theory first presented in a book called Mortal Error. There
is almost no real evidence for it other than a few photos of the agent
in the car behind JFK's with his machine gun drawn after shots were
fired. A couple witnesses said they saw the two SS
men in the President's car holding handguns, but no one has ever
confirmed that.
As for the origin of the Magic Bullet Theory, it was first proposed by Arlen Specter, then a Washington lawyer, who, after talking to gun experts, decided it was both possible and probable a bullet passed through both men. And in fact, it is. But it doesn't tell us anything about who shot the gun(s) and/or who planned the crime, and it became a huge distraction from more important evidence. |
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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By the way, and even though I like JFK (posthumously of course, I didn't even exist back in 1960-3), the CIA and everyone around him planned and tried to execute the murder of another president, Fidel Castro. So it might have been karma-kanic to use prog terms that JFK himself was murdered.
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20666 |
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Who do you think killed JFK?
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