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Posted: October 20 2013 at 10:52
dr prog wrote:
I don't think I've heard a marillion song that I even liked. I think the only way I'd really like a band forming after 1975 would be if all composing members didn't care for hardly any music post 1983. What are the chances of that? Lol. Any music with a metal influence I can't take seriously
Try Easter.
If that doesn't stir some emotion in your soul, you don't possess one.
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Posted: October 20 2013 at 11:20
I have to say that lately, I prefer modern progressive rock. I really have little to no time for Neo prog (with a few exceptions here and there) and find myself preferring groups like MiRthkon, The Wrong Object, Chrome Hoof, echolyn, Phideaux, Gosta Berlings Saga, Half Past Four, Miriodor, Mike Keneally, Panzerpappa, Steven Wilson, etc
Of course, my roots are in classic prog, it's just that I've over listened to those bands. I've heard Selling England and Larks Tongues so much that I have them memorized a la Fahrenheit 451! I, of course, have a lot of respect and appreciation for the classic prog era, and may return to it years down the road with refreshed ears, but for now I want to hear new stuff.
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Posted: October 20 2013 at 11:25
Guldbamsen wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Already mentioned these guys but imo they represent good modern prog with melody, a retro feel, and great playing.
Wobbler-Rites At Dawn
What he said only transcribed onto Diagonal
I really find Wobbler & Diagonal a bit too deliberately retro, it's not like they are using it as inspiration, it's more like they're trying to clone them. I do like it when I'm in the right mood but I'd rather reach for the original.
progrockdeepcuts wrote:
I have to say that lately, I prefer modern progressive rock. I really have little to no time for Neo prog (with a few exceptions here and there) and find myself preferring groups like MiRthkon, The Wrong Object, Chrome Hoof, echolyn, Phideaux, Gosta Berlings Saga, Half Past Four, Miriodor, Mike Keneally, Panzerpappa, Steven Wilson, etc
This is much more like a list of modern prog bands for me.
Edited by Nogbad_The_Bad - October 20 2013 at 11:27
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Posted: October 21 2013 at 04:43
I think classic prog has an advantage that the stuff that tends to be more readily remembered is by definition the stuff that stood the test of time. Contemporary prog is to some extent lacking that helpful filter.
For my tastes I think there is a lot of very good prog around at the moment that can stand toe-to-toe with the "classic" era, but it's not surprising that it is a slightly different beast because of the influences (musical and technological) that have come to bear since. Keyboard players don't have to sell a kidney to get something other than a hammond or piano that can play polyphonically, and few prog drummers these days will be playing on a kit quite as modest as was normal in the early 70's (I remember a comment in Fusion Orchestra's gig diary talking gleefully about Dave Bell having added a cowbell and a second tom to his kit!)
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Posted: October 21 2013 at 06:06
Guldbamsen wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Already mentioned these guys but imo they represent good modern prog with melody, a retro feel, and great playing.
Wobbler-Rites At Dawn
Some have said they sound too much like Yes on this one......who cares. I play this almost weekly.
Almost all of the newer modern bands have influences and some even name them.
What he said only transcribed onto Diagonal
The first one sounds like a genesis cover band, the second sounds like they try so hard to be complex I'm embarrassed. This is not a catchy melody. Modern proggers can't do it. They need to slow it down and produce something nice and clever. Make it fun. Less notes, more instruments. Entwine some simple chords with tasty keys and guitar. Make it fun with some smart bass playing and spice it up with busy smooth cymbal work. Not hard at all really without sounding like any other old prog band but sounding like you belong in that era
Edited by dr prog - October 21 2013 at 06:07
All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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Posted: October 21 2013 at 06:23
Wobbler sound like elp one song, genesis another, yes the next, then tull and gentle giant. Copy cats
All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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Posted: October 21 2013 at 10:40
benbell wrote:
I think classic prog has an advantage that the stuff that tends to be more readily remembered is by definition the stuff that stood the test of time. Contemporary prog is to some extent lacking that helpful filter.
Yes. The well-known "good times effect", as I like to call it. People remember the great stuff and forget about the howlers. This is almost always in play when people complain about contemporary music that "music was better in the past" - music wasn't better in the past, but the bad music is simply forgotten.
benbell wrote:
For my tastes I think there is a lot of very good prog around at the moment that can stand toe-to-toe with the "classic" era, but it's not surprising that it is a slightly different beast because of the influences (musical and technological) that have come to bear since. Keyboard players don't have to sell a kidney to get something other than a hammond or piano that can play polyphonically, and few prog drummers these days will be playing on a kit quite as modest as was normal in the early 70's (I remember a comment in Fusion Orchestra's gig diary talking gleefully about Dave Bell having added a cowbell and a second tom to his kit!)
A perfectly correct observation. Progressive rock today is different from classical progressive rock, due to different musical influences and due to advanced technology, especially regarding the keyboards. I play a synthesizer which cost me €500, but can do things Emerson and Wakeman could only dream of.
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Posted: October 21 2013 at 14:53
I personally love modern prog for the influences, as well as the crisp production. My personal favourite style of prog is the "new prog" or "post-prog" style that is half way between alternative rock and prog rock, with influences from post-hardcore and indie. You know, stuff like Anathema, Dead Letter Circus, Karnivool, Breaking Orbit, The Dear Hunter, Coheed & Cambria etc. It's not recognised here as a subgenre (probably because it barely existed when the subgenres here were decided), but it's easily my favourite, and you won't find any of those bands pre 1997.
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Posted: October 21 2013 at 15:49
Neo-Romantic wrote:
Discipline too for sure. I'm also going to recommend iamthemorning. Although they may not sound much like the old stuff, there's no metal, and their debut does a wonderful job of demonstrating the ability to cover new ground in a pleasantly accessible yet emotionally interesting manner. No metal influence there either.
Imho, iamthemorning not only have nothing to do with (progressive) metal; they come from indie-rock, musical style that has nothing to do with the 70s Progressive Rock in general.
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Posted: October 21 2013 at 16:38
rushfan4 wrote:
The.Crimson.King wrote:
rushfan4 wrote:
Have you tried the band Astra? Not sure if they would appeal to you or not, but I believe that they use all authentic old equipment and recording technologies.
Thanks much for the tip...I read your review of "The Weirding" yesterday and was intrigued...I'm giving the album a spin or two now - TGFYoutube
Let us know what you think. I am curious to hear your thoughts on them.
I decided I didn't want to just listen to this once and rave about how great it was (I'm a sucker for anything with mellotron) but love at first sight never really lasts between me and prog so I've been listening to The Weirding many times over the past 4 days. Simply put, it's like this crazy blend of Meddle-era Pink Floyd and early 70's King Crimson with lots of ARP lead synth icing. The mellotron stylings are much more Ian MacDonald/Fripp (mixes of single note melodies and chords) than Tony Banks (big chord washes). There's also lots of ARP synth lead work but not at all in a Banks style...I can't really place who it reminds me of and that's a good thing! The songs are multi-part with complex and heavy sections contrasted by quiet passages and vocal dominated bits. The songwriting is outstanding. The lead guitar work doesn't really remind me of anyone in particular, except maybe the excellent and obscure US prog bands of the late 70's, Cathedral & Netherworld. It's not at all blues-based like Gilmour and not at all metal or shred like either...maybe a little Camel like in places but with more energy...melodic but sometimes complex...very enjoyable. The guitar really steps out in the long instrumental Ouroboros and sounds great.
All that being said, I don't really feel The Weirding is a slavish copy of anything and I'm really enjoying it's uniqueness. It's like a painter deciding to use Rembrandt's palette but choosing a different subject...the color/contrast seems familiar, but the work stands on it's own merit. I'm more of a classic prog guy, but I've sampled some of the more PA-highly-regarded modern prog bands and this is the 1st post 2000 release I've heard that has me feeling like there's more to be found there if I just give it one more listen...and I haven't felt that way about a prog album for a very long time
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Posted: October 21 2013 at 17:29
Svetonio wrote:
Neo-Romantic wrote:
Discipline too for sure. I'm also going to recommend iamthemorning. Although they may not sound much like the old stuff, there's no metal, and their debut does a wonderful job of demonstrating the ability to cover new ground in a pleasantly accessible yet emotionally interesting manner. No metal influence there either.
Imho, iamthemorning not only have nothing to do with (progressive) metal; they come from indie-rock, musical style that has nothing to do with the 70s Progressive Rock in general.
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