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timbo 
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 Posted: October 17 2013 at 04:19 |
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I think to a large extent, it depends on when you started getting into prog.
As a teenager in the late seventies, I came to prog through Genesis, Yes etc. (admittedly slightly past their golden age, but soon picked up their back catalogues). I therefore have an emotional attachment to them that I don't have to modern prog.
While I have enjoyed discovering modern band like Big Big Train and Moon Safari, I don't have the same connection with them. I can enjoy listening to them and appreciate the music, but it doesn't "grab me" like the 70s bands I grew up with.
Probably younger listeners will have the same experience - what they got into as teenagers will have the emotional connection that earlier/later bands don't have. Not to say one is better or worse than the other, it's just the bond isn't quite there.
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Posted: October 17 2013 at 05:36 |
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I like both the classics and contemporary stuff (and of course, what has been between), but I am indeed more interested in what is going on in our time. The past is, well, over. There was a lot of great stuff of lasting value in the classical era, but I find what is going on now more exciting. I spend much more time listening to Dream Theater, Spock's Beard, Haken etc. (though I don't like Steven Wilson's stuff much), than listening to Yes, Genesis, ELP, Pink Floyd and all the others from the 70s.
It is hard to say whether modern or classical progressive rock is better; there is excellent music, and less excellent music, to be found in any area of progressive rock. But I understand progressive rock as something that continues to progress, and thus am most interested in the music of our times.
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Posted: October 17 2013 at 09:35 |
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Exactly my thoughts. I'm much more interested in what's being put out now, and I just find the music easier to really dig my nails into. Im not going to say that's wrong to listen to progressive rock of now instead of 40 years ago, but it certainly makes some sense to me. Even my favorite act from the 70's, Rush continued to make good music exitting that decade. So it makes sense that I've been able to consistently listen to them and enjoy all of their albums whether its Hold Your Fire or Counterparts.
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Posted: October 17 2013 at 09:50 |
As some one said earlier.....it's all good.
But 2 points to consider is that the old classic prog bands led the way and certainly influenced and provided a style and template in many cases for the newer bands , and of course there was a discussion not long ago about how progressive the newer material is (is it progressing in any meaningful way..) and is it all that different.?
I like many of the new bands but still favor the older ones but then I also grew up with the classic bands.
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Posted: October 17 2013 at 09:55 |
That's...quite a statement.
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Posted: October 17 2013 at 10:14 |
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^not even in my top 100 of new modern prog
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Posted: October 17 2013 at 10:50 |
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It's a nice album but similarly it's not top 50 for me of modern albums.
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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: October 17 2013 at 11:33 |
 timbo wrote:
I think to a large extent, it depends on when you started getting into prog.
As a teenager in the late seventies, I came to prog through Genesis, Yes etc. (admittedly slightly past their golden age, but soon picked up their back catalogues). I therefore have an emotional attachment to them that I don't have to modern prog.
While I have enjoyed discovering modern band like Big Big Train and Moon Safari, I don't have the same connection with them. I can enjoy listening to them and appreciate the music, but it doesn't "grab me" like the 70s bands I grew up with.
Probably younger listeners will have the same experience - what they got into as teenagers will have the emotional connection that earlier/later bands don't have. Not to say one is better or worse than the other, it's just the bond isn't quite there. |
Good point. I'm definitely a classic prog guy...perhaps because that was the music I grew up on? Maybe? I don't know and I really don't care. I have very few "modern prog" bands in my collection but not because I turn my nose up at anything released after September 24, 1974  It's simply a function that the sound I enjoy the most is rooted in classic prog so when a band like Anglagard showed up with mellotrons, analog gear, and a writing style that explored the classic prog vocabulary at the forefront, it spoke to me in a way that modern prog bands with digital instruments never did. I have tried out some modern prog that my PA brothers and sisters rave about on youtube - but it get's a very lukewarm "it's good" reception and nothing like the obsessive insanity that I have for classic prog (or more recent bands that worship/emulate that era).
So while it's not a prejudice against modern prog, probability theory tells me I'm better served spending my precious time exploring the classic prog goldmine. I get way more excited about the prospect of hearing an unknown French prog band from '75 for the first time than I ever get about a pending 2013 release 
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Posted: October 17 2013 at 11:51 |
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I actually think 70's prog is notoriously overrated trite for the most part, and I really don't see what it has to do with the great stuff coming out today.
I think it's just the massive circlejerk this board has for "classic" prog ... I even think that Neo-Prog is better than Symphonic. |
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Posted: October 17 2013 at 12:08 |
The.Crimson.King wrote:
timbo wrote:
I think to a large extent, it depends on when you started getting into prog.
As a teenager in the late seventies, I came to prog through Genesis, Yes etc. (admittedly slightly past their golden age, but soon picked up their back catalogues). I therefore have an emotional attachment to them that I don't have to modern prog.
While I have enjoyed discovering modern band like Big Big Train and Moon Safari, I don't have the same connection with them. I can enjoy listening to them and appreciate the music, but it doesn't "grab me" like the 70s bands I grew up with.
Probably younger listeners will have the same experience - what they got into as teenagers will have the emotional connection that earlier/later bands don't have. Not to say one is better or worse than the other, it's just the bond isn't quite there. |
Good point. I'm definitely a classic prog guy...perhaps because that was the music I grew up on? Maybe? I don't know and I really don't care. I have very few "modern prog" bands in my collection but not because I turn my nose up at anything released after September 24, 1974 It's simply a function that the sound I enjoy the most is rooted in classic prog so when a band like Anglagard showed up with mellotrons, analog gear, and a writing style that explored the classic prog vocabulary at the forefront, it spoke to me in a way that modern prog bands with digital instruments never did. I have tried out some modern prog that my PA brothers and sisters rave about on youtube - but it get's a very lukewarm "it's good" reception and nothing like the obsessive insanity that I have for classic prog (or more recent bands that worship/emulate that era).
So while it's not a prejudice against modern prog, probability theory tells me I'm better served spending my precious time exploring the classic prog goldmine. I get way more excited about the prospect of hearing an unknown French prog band from '75 for the first time than I ever get about a pending 2013 release |
Have you tried the band Astra? Not sure if they would appeal to you or not, but I believe that they use all authentic old equipment and recording technologies.
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Posted: October 17 2013 at 12:19 |
dr wu23 wrote:
As some one said earlier.....it's all good.
But 2 points to consider is that the old classic prog bands led the way and certainly influenced and provided a style and template in many cases for the newer bands , and of course there was a discussion not long ago about how progressive the newer material is (is it progressing in any meaningful way..) and is it all that different.?
I like many of the new bands but still favor the older ones but then I also grew up with the classic bands.
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old classic prog bands led the way and certainly influenced and provided a style and template in many cases for the newer bands
I've said this before and is my reasoning for my In the Court.. Isn't this untouchable masterpiece. Influence or impact doesn't change the actual quality of music. So I'm not sure how this statement means that classic progressive rock is any better?
And to your second statement, wouldn't having to create music that deviates from classic prog be more difficult than to follow the roots? There's an interview I've seen where Roger Daultry said that he sympathizes with newer bands because its much more difficult to make music than the era he was a part of. He used the analogy that there is more paint on the canvas of the musical world.
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Posted: October 17 2013 at 12:20 |
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I think iamthemorning is one of the best bands now.
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Wanorak
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Posted: October 17 2013 at 12:50 |
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I like both eras as there are many superb groups from then and now. I find that modern prog suffers from too much prog metal and post rock experimental acts that just have no concept of good melodic structure and songcraft!!
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Posted: October 17 2013 at 12:59 |
timothy leary wrote:
^not even in my top 100 of new modern prog |
It's OK actually. In 70s we all listened to all the prog styles, all the prog bands of that era. I mean, if one listened to e.g. Yes as fav band, there wasn't any problem to listening to e.g. Genesis, or ELP, Trees, GonG, Pink Floyd, etc.
At present day, the sub-genres (with the bands who come from so many countries with their specific styles and atmospheres) are much more different to each other. All of that going so fast in many different directions as in that big bang theory but in the same time all of that still to be prog.
It's really a new dimension of modern prog which good old prog did not have to.
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Posted: October 17 2013 at 13:00 |
Guldbamsen wrote:
schizoidman wrote:
RoeDent wrote:
Is there anyone else here who prefers the modern wave of prog music (say, 1989-present->) to the so-called "classic" era of the 70s? The music of bands like Dream Theater, Porcupine Tree and Spock's Beard just does more for me than Yes, Genesis, ELP et al. Maybe it's because I wasn't around during that era, but still, I am proud to have a progressive era of MY time, to call my own, and I firmly believe we are in a new Golden Age of progressive rock. |
I grew up listening to Yes, Genesis, ELP, etcetera and there is no substitution for that. They will always have that special place in my psychological and emotional make up that can never be replaced by any other music.
I give you huge credit for having the good sense to reject the crap that's played on commercial radio and TV and seek out music with substance created by musicians that can actually play their instruments.
The zeitgeist of the late 60's and 70's was completely different than today. The world is a different place than it was back then. Young people today have more information, music, technology, et al at their fingertips than I ever did. You have the luxury of having around 50 years of prog to select and choose from. That wasn't the case back then. Prog was inventing itself as time passed and the bands that are listened to today are the ones whose music has so far withstood the test of time.
I have my favorites now (Porcupine Tree, Big Big Train, Taal, Loreena McKennitt) just as I did back in the day (Yes, Genesis, ELP, Tull....never did care for Rush, Gentle Giant, Uriah Heep, Can, IQ).
Be as proud as you like of the prog being made today. It's the soundtrack of your life for the rest of your life.
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Very nice post mister schizoid One I very much agree with.
I do prefer the old stuff myself - even if I love a lot of the new as well. I gather most of the modern music I listen to, that's featured on PA that is, probably won't be called 'prog' by most of the old timers. Ulver, Vespero, Cabezas de Cera and the likes. I'm not really into the modern prog scene though - bands like Transatlantic, Spock's Beard, Haken and Flower Kings sound like cheese to me. I am very glad that they're pulling people in from afar to experience a whole new music experience though.
People should just follow their gut when it comes down to music - whatever others may say. New old - as long as it puts the zing in your mickey, it's all good. |
Thanks! I'm finding the newer prog artists very much hit or miss. For instance, I find Neal Morse's "?" album a 4 or 5 star album. But his other albums I find lacking.
Sieges Even....I find I like a few tracks on "The Art of Navigating by the Stars" and the rest ...I'm still working on.
Overall, I'm more of an old stuff guy. The thing is, there's more prog available now than ever before. So, I think it's a lot harder sifting through the concrete (to paraphrase Peter Gabriel) to find music that really connects with me.
Cheers!
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Posted: October 17 2013 at 13:08 |
The.Crimson.King wrote:
I have very few "modern prog" bands in my collection but not because I turn my nose up at anything released after September 24, 1974 |
I see what you did there
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Posted: October 17 2013 at 13:58 |
Well played my friend! 
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Posted: October 17 2013 at 15:06 |
I wasn't born in the time of the classic era of prog rock, or even barely in the sort of 90s revival with the Flower Kings, Dream Theater, Spock's Beard, etc. but I in general prefer the classics like you mentioned (Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, Pink Floyd) but there are a few exceptions such as Dream Theater's Metropolis Pt. 2, or Iamthemorning's debut, or Haken's "The Mountain", but I'd say only about 5% of the prog I listen to is from after about 1982. Now, it's starting to change because I'm listening more to the bands I mentioned such as Dream Theater, Haken, Porcupine Tree, Steve Wilson and so on and maybe in about 6 months it will be 25% judging by the rate it's currently going up.
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Posted: October 17 2013 at 15:11 |
I think he meant September 25th 1974.
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dr wu23
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Posted: October 17 2013 at 15:23 |
Horizons wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
As some one said earlier.....it's all good.
But 2 points to consider is that the old classic prog bands led the way and certainly influenced and provided a style and template in many cases for the newer bands , and of course there was a discussion not long ago about how progressive the newer material is (is it progressing in any meaningful way..) and is it all that different.?
I like many of the new bands but still favor the older ones but then I also grew up with the classic bands.
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old classic prog bands led the way and certainly influenced and provided a style and template in many cases for the newer bands
I've said this before and is my reasoning for my In the Court.. Isn't this untouchable masterpiece. Influence or impact doesn't change the actual quality of music. So I'm not sure how this statement means that classic progressive rock is any better?
And to your second statement, wouldn't having to create music that deviates from classic prog be more difficult than to follow the roots? There's an interview I've seen where Roger Daultry said that he sympathizes with newer bands because its much more difficult to make music than the era he was a part of. He used the analogy that there is more paint on the canvas of the musical world. |
Doesn't mean classic prog is better but it can certainly mean there might not be any 'modern prog' without those bands who actually started 'prog'...whatever we decide that prog is.
Just an observation.
And regarding new or modern prog again I don't know of a single band that hasn't borrowed at least one thing from the classic bands. And yes it is difficult to create 'new music'...whatever that is... since the older bands have already been there and done that.
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