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verslibre

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Posted: September 26 2013 at 18:11

Great cartoon! I love the literal buildings separated by a conveyor.

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Posted: September 26 2013 at 18:13

dr wu23 wrote:

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I think I mentioned this before but a question for all you DT, Iron Maiden, and Rush fans ........has anyone read an interview with any of these bands and what are their opinions about their influences and who they consider to be the 'fathers of prog metal'..?

Are you mean 'the origins'? Not so hard question!

http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=19

No...;my question for prog metal fans is whether or not they have read any interviews with the big names in prog metal: DT, Rush, Iron Maiden, etc and what these actual musicians think about the fathers or origins of prog metal.

I think we are all quite aware of what it says on the Prog Archives web pages.

This is an interview where John Petrucci has spoken of the influences around him as a 12-yrs old begginer guitarist http://www.sonicstate.com/amped/2011/10/18/video-john-petrucci-talks-about-his-guitar-influences/

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Posted: September 26 2013 at 18:19

Where is Jeff Wagner when we need him?! Angry

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Posted: September 26 2013 at 18:46

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Where is Jeff Wagner when we need him?! Angry

He works on Peter Steele biography: http://jeffwagnerwriter.com/about

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Posted: September 26 2013 at 22:55

Dean wrote:

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^^ wow-- what a sad and moving cartoon

That's what I thought when I first saw it. It's a genuine graduation speech by a girl called Erica Goldson, the cartoonist just put pictures to the words. I felt it was a nice retort to 'Repetitio est mater studiorum', (repetition is the mother of learning) and less insulting than the usual Einstein quote on repetition.

Brilliant, but repetition can be painful as well.

Let's take a look at 'billy butthead' for instance.

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Posted: September 26 2013 at 22:58

Svetonio wrote:

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Where is Jeff Wagner when we need him?! Angry

He works on Peter Steele biography: http://jeffwagnerwriter.com/about

Dude I love Peter Steele. Oh will we could say that Peter Steele was a father of Goth Metal. For sure.

I miss that guy a lot. Type O Negative was a fantastic band.

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Posted: September 27 2013 at 07:58

progbethyname wrote:

Svetonio wrote:

CPicard wrote:

Where is Jeff Wagner when we need him?! Angry

He works on Peter Steele biography: http://jeffwagnerwriter.com/about

Dude I love Peter Steele. Oh will we could say that Peter Steele was a father of Goth Metal. For sure.

I miss that guy a lot. Type O Negative was a fantastic band.

I agree, Peter Steele was the great artist who really deserved that book.

RIP

Btw, do you heard Via Obscura, a magnificient Goth Metal project (with symph rock elements) from 2012?

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Posted: September 27 2013 at 08:33

Svetonio wrote:

Btw, do you heard Via Obscura, a magnificient Goth Metal project (with symph rock elements) from 2012?

Symphonic Prog project (with goth metal elements) surely?

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Posted: September 27 2013 at 09:00

Dean wrote:

Svetonio wrote:

Btw, do you heard Via Obscura, a magnificient Goth Metal project (with symph rock elements) from 2012?

Symphonic Prog project (with goth metal elements) surely?

lol, Via Obscura is Goth Metal.

I suggested them for Symphonic Prog because they have symph rock elements, but at the first place because PM Team don't accept Goth Metal; then Via Obscura were directed to their new home in Symphonic Prog section and auf Wiedersehen!

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Posted: September 27 2013 at 09:14

Svetonio wrote:

Dean wrote:

Svetonio wrote:

Btw, do you heard Via Obscura, a magnificient Goth Metal project (with symph rock elements) from 2012?

Symphonic Prog project (with goth metal elements) surely?

lol, Via Obscura is Goth Metal.

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I suggested them for Symphonic Prog because they have symph rock elements, but at the first place because PM Team don't accept Goth Metal; then Via Obscura was directed to the home in Symphonic Pprog section and auf Wiedersehen!

Of course they are Gothic Metal

(no contraction of Gothic to Goth please - a Goth was a member of an East Germanic tribe and more recently a member of a Western subculture, Gothic is a style that is applied to everything from architecture to music).

If the Symphonic Prog team believed this to be Symphonic Prog then I'll not argue with them, but I will reserve the right to say:

well done Svetonio, nicely played.

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Posted: September 27 2013 at 09:32

Svetonio wrote:

Dean wrote:

Svetonio wrote:

Btw, do you heard Via Obscura, a magnificient Goth Metal project (with symph rock elements) from 2012?

Symphonic Prog project (with goth metal elements) surely?

lol, Via Obscura is Goth Metal.

Why thank you. And 'yes' I have heard of VIa Obscura. Not one of my favourites, but the Piano in this song is very lovely.
I think if you really like obscura, then the French duo choir from the band ARTESIA you are gonna love.
Check out the album Hilvern. You will be moved. :)

Anyway.

I gotta say like I did earlier that if the tenure of prog-metal did in fact start in the early 90's I would Agree with you about DT being the fathers of the genre. :)
They certainly revolutionized the genre big time. I mean you look at what was being done in the 80's with Prog metal and then jump to just the early 90's we can hear some major emergence. The 1992 album I&W's is such an incredibly important album for Prog metal....and for Prog music in general. :) but it did not start there. ;)

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Posted: September 27 2013 at 09:43

Also. If one were to have heard the latest DT effort I think most can and would agree that DT have emerged very nicely from their very early works. In the last 14 years Dream Theater have not dramatically altered their approach to creating quality progressive metal, but I think sometimes you just have to stick with what you are good at and tweak it a bit here and there for posterity and variety's sake. I think DT have done very well in this regard. :)

21st century Prog metal heros and benchmark setters? DT get my vote.
They could be the.....oh yes I am gonna say it Dean....the fathers of 21st century Prog metal. ;) (not the true definition of father I know. ;)

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Posted: September 27 2013 at 09:44

My favourite Prog Metal band is Pain Of Salvation so I feel compelled to say that they are the fathers, grandfathers, great grandfathers, great great grandfathers, great great great grandfathers, creators, inventors, progenitors, begetters, leaders, paterfamilias, owners, pwners, governors, heirs, chieftains, lords, kings, emperors, major domos, chamberlains, custodians, guardians, elders, proctors, stewards, sensi, protectors, defenders and mothers of Prog Metal for no logical reason what-so-ever other than I prefer them to Dream Thicket.

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Posted: September 27 2013 at 09:44

This is still going on..... and here I thought it was already decided that Iron Maiden were the real dads.

Edited by dr wu23 - September 27 2013 at 20:36

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Posted: September 27 2013 at 10:00

Dream Theater are the greatest band even though they spell it wrong

I wanna sing it through the land so I put it in a song

Oh... necrohippoflagellationexpialidocious

If you repeat it often enough it doesnt seem so bogus

necrohippoflagellationexpialidocious

it really is a magic spell better than hocus pocus

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Posted: September 27 2013 at 10:18

Sieges Even.........end of discussion........thread closed

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Posted: September 27 2013 at 10:28

As good a reason as any I 'spose.

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Posted: September 27 2013 at 10:28

dr wu23 wrote:

This is till going on..... and here I thought it was already decided that Iron Maiden were the real dads.

Oh no. Now we are moving into the 90's and 21st century Prog metal Progenators.

It's evolution time baby!!!

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Posted: September 27 2013 at 10:33

You are perhaps, I'm just taking the micturition

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Posted: September 27 2013 at 10:34

Dean wrote:

Dream Theater are the greatest band even though they spell it wrong

I wanna sing it through the land so I put it in a song

Oh... necrohippoflagellationexpialidocious

If you repeat it often enough it doesnt seem so bogus

necrohippoflagellationexpialidocious

it really is a magic spell better than hocus pocus

Actually. I will agree with this. It's these American pronunciations/spelling perceptions of words i personally have never agree with.

Theatre---Theater
Colour---Color
Favourite--Favorite

....just to name a few. Although I've never heard of ticket from thicket...if that is was you are sarcastically getting at?

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Poll Question: Which band would you call the fathers of Prog Metal
Poll Choice	Votes	Poll Statistics
Black Sabbath	28	[41.79%]
Rush	20	[29.85%]
other	19	[28.36%]
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