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Posted: September 26 2013 at 04:03
Svetonio wrote:
Dean wrote:
A landmark is not a birth.
Aha ... then DT's 1989 debut is the birth of Progressive Metal as subgenre of Progressive Rock as well.
No, it wasn't Aha, Morten Harket had nothing to do with the birth of Prog Metal.
There is no distinction between the birth of Progressive Metal as a subgenre of Metal and as a subgenre of Progressive Rock, they are one and the same.
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Posted: September 26 2013 at 05:33
Right. So according to a care-less person (and an army of imaginary many others):
Metal was invented by The Who with Boris the Spider, Progressive Rock was invented by King Crimson with In The Court of the Crimson King and Prog Metal was invented by Dream Theater with Metropolis Part 1: The Miracle and The Sleeper.
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Posted: September 26 2013 at 06:05
I see the fine art of sarcasm is completely wasted on you.
Svetonio wrote:
Dean wrote:
(...) Prog Metal was invented by Dream Theater with Metropolis Part 1: The Miracle and The Sleeper.
Brilliant.
Yes, it is brilliant and the first one Progressive Metal epic ever made.
Nobody recorded something like that before DT
No it wasn't. Suite Sister Mary was years earlier and is practically the blue-print for Metropolis Prt:1 - all you need to do is add a trem-picking death metal riff, change the words and take out singing monks.
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Posted: September 26 2013 at 06:59
Dean wrote:
I see the fine art of sarcasm is completely wasted on you.
Svetonio wrote:
Dean wrote:
(...) Prog Metal was invented by Dream Theater with Metropolis Part 1: The Miracle and The Sleeper.
Brilliant.
Yes, it is brilliant and the first one Progressive Metal epic ever made.
Nobody recorded something like that before DT
No it wasn't. Suite Sister Mary was years earlier and is practically the blue-print for Metropolis Prt:1 - all you need to do is add a trem-picking death metal riff, change the words and take out singing monks.
Well, I know that there's always something that has been done before that one can say, "Hey this is practically done before!" but an album or even one song become the cornerstone for a genre.
So, that cornerstone for Rock is My Generation the song, In The Court of Crimson King the album and title song is the cornerstone for Progressive Rock, Images And Words and Metropolis Part 1: The Miracles And Sleeper is that cornerstone, the landmarkfor Progressive Metal.
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Posted: September 26 2013 at 07:24
Im not sure about any of the "stones" mentioned.
What about Hey Joe or Help, they may as well be seen as that one important piece of Rock music, depends a lot on if you think the Who was IT, or you dont.
Cant claim The Who have become more famous or legendary than Hendrix or Beatles can you. ?
Same goes for KC's debut, it may be important, but is it more important than so many other early albums or songs.
Yes Moody Floyd mm.
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Posted: September 26 2013 at 09:19
tamijo wrote:
Im not sure about any of the "stones" mentioned.
What about Hey Joe or Help, they may as well be seen as that one important piece of Rock music, depends a lot on if you think the Who was IT, or you dont.
Cant claim The Who have become more famous or legendary than Hendrix or Beatles can you. ?
Same goes for KC's debut, it may be important, but is it more important than so many other early albums or songs.
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Posted: September 26 2013 at 09:33
Are you on commission from YouTube?
You've posted Metropolis Part 1 twice now - we know what if fking sounds like, and if we didn't we are fking smart enough to go find it ourselves on fking You-fking-Tube. But and However. We're fking Prog fans - we know these fking songs forwards, backwards, sideways and fking-inside-fking-out.
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Posted: September 26 2013 at 09:37
I think I mentioned this before but a question for all you DT, Iron Maiden, and Rush fans ........has anyone read an interview with any of these bands and what are their opinions about their influences and who they consider to be the 'fathers of prog metal'..?
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Posted: September 26 2013 at 12:28
dr wu23 wrote:
I think I mentioned this before but a question for all you DT, Iron Maiden, and Rush fans ........has anyone read an interview with any of these bands and what are their opinions about their influences and who they consider to be the 'fathers of prog metal'..?
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Posted: September 26 2013 at 12:47
Dean wrote:
Are you on commission from YouTube?
You've posted Metropolis Part 1 twice now - we know what if fking sounds like, and if we didn't we are fking smart enough to go find it ourselves on fking You-fking-Tube. But and However. We're fking Prog fans - we know these fking songs forwards, backwards, sideways and fking-inside-fking-out.
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Posted: September 26 2013 at 15:26
Svetonio wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
I think I mentioned this before but a question for all you DT, Iron Maiden, and Rush fans ........has anyone read an interview with any of these bands and what are their opinions about their influences and who they consider to be the 'fathers of prog metal'..?
No...;my question for prog metal fans is whether or not they have read any interviews with the big names in prog metal: DT, Rush, Iron Maiden, etc and what these actual musicians think about the fathers or origins of prog metal.
I think we are all quite aware of what it says on the Prog Archives web pages.
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Posted: September 26 2013 at 17:58
Atavachron wrote:
^^ wow-- what a sad and moving cartoon
That's what I thought when I first saw it. It's a genuine graduation speech by a girl called Erica Goldson, the cartoonist just put pictures to the words. I felt it was a nice retort to 'Repetitio est mater studiorum', (repetition is the mother of learning) and less insulting than the usual Einstein quote on repetition.
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