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After hearing the new DT album I'm pretty confident that DT have a lot of longevity in them for many more years to come.
I'd say DT have been the Fathers of Prog metal since the middle 90's.
Pretty prolific band. I'm really impressed by how they regrouped so well after losing one of the best virtuoso drummers on this planet.
Ok Dream Theater...I'm pulling a Wayne Campell/Garth Algar.
^ paterfamilias...the head of the house...the one in charge....or the shovinistic approach of ' I wear the dam pants in the family.' that's DT for me right now. They are fathers and so many other bands want to be under their roof cause they are a staple in Prog metal for last 10 years by creating some pretty wonderful and modern sounding Prog/metal.
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I mentioned John Entwistle (rip) as the 'musicians' musician' who was invented "metal" sound bass in 60's. Yeah, as grand grand father, not the father.
The real fathers of Progressive Metal are not Black Sabbath, nor Iron Maiden. I can easily say that I grow up at Iron Maiden's shows. Five times I saw Iron Maiden live in my hometown of Belgrade: 1981 at Belrade's Hippodrome when Iron Maiden was the opening act for ex-Yugoslavian band Bijelo Dugme, then 1984, 1986, 2007 and 2009; lol, here we call them a "serbian band" - that much people love them here. The main reason for that is the fact that they're not Progressive Metal band, although their Somewhere in the Time the album(1986) is conceptual and with those synths guitars & bass on it. Actually, Heavy Metal, so Iron Maiden as Heavy Metal Gods as well and also one of the greatest cock-rock bands in the history of popular music, is quite opposite music genre from Progressive Rock. That's why the hardcore Heavy Metal fans don't like Progressive Metal. I saw that very clear at Tool's concert in Belgrade 2009, and I recall back then in a nearby bar that just after Tool's gig that all the heavy metal kids with shiny Iron Maiden badges at their jackets were commenting on the Tool's gig "this is too avantgarde, this is not metal".
The real fathers of Progressive Metal, as an autonomous genre under umbrella of Progressive Rock as well, are DREAM THEATER.
p.s. As consolation to those Iron Maiden's hardcore fans who try to put the band into progresive music genre where band as Iron Maiden weren't belong:
But to be clear on my overhyped enthusiasm from my DT buzz craze is that you are right with the whole concept of what a 'father' actually means. I am just thinking that if Prog metal actually started in 1994 DT would be it. They would have to be, but history is history and of course Prog metal has been around a lot longer than 20 years in refined non primordial soup fashion. :)
I mentioned John Enwistle (rip) as the 'musicians' musician' who was invented "metal" sound bass in 60's. Yeah, as grand grand father, not the father.
The real fathers of Progressive Metal are not Black Sabbath, nor Iron Maiden. I can easily say that I grow up at Iron Maiden's shows. Five times I saw Iron Maiden live in my hometown of Belgrade: 1981 at Belrade's Hippodrome when Iron Maiden was the opening act for ex-Yugoslavian band Bijelo Dugme, then 1984, 1986, 2007 and 2009; lol, here we call them a "serbian band" - that much people love them here. The main reason for that is the fact that they're not Progressive Metal band, although their Somewhere in the Time the album(1986) is conceptual and with those synths guitars & bass on it. Actually, Heavy Metal, so Iron Maiden as Heavy Metal Gods as well and also one of the greatest cock-rock bands in the history of popular music, is quite opposite music genre from Progressive Rock. That's why the hardcore Heavy Metal fans don't like Progressive Metal. I saw that very clear at Tool's concert in Belgrade 2009, and I recall back then in a nearby bar that just after Tool's gig that all the heavy metal kids with shiny Iron Maiden badges at their jackets were commenting on the Tool's gig "this is too avantgarde, this is not metal".
The real fathers of Progressive Metal, as an autonomous genre under umbrella of Progressive Rock as well, are DREAM THEATER.
p.s. As consolation to those Iron Maiden's hardcore fans who try to put the band into progresive music genre where band as Iron Maiden weren't belong:
Belgrade, 1981
Belgrade, 1986
Belgrade, 2007
Belgrade, 2007
Belgrade, 2009
Enjoy!
Mr. Irish bandcamp! Hey. Very cool links as well as history of your Maiden/Belgrade concerts. Love the banner.
I just have one problem....describing Iron Maiden as one of the greatest 'Cock-Rock' bands really doesn't sit well with me lol. I just think you give them an image like those four dorky Jewish-face painters known as Kiss!!
That's a cock rock band. Same goes for a band like Motely Crew.
I just don't fit Maiden's image to be along side the tacky clam side of other rock cliches like Gene freakin Simmons. Lol
I don't know. Call me crazy, but even in the D'anno years did I ever see Maiden look or sound like a cock rock band. Just sayin.'
Very cool post otherwise though! Thanks for the links. :)
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^ paterfamilias...the head of the house...the one in charge....or the shovinistic approach of ' I wear the dam pants in the family.' that's DT for me right now. They are fathers and so many other bands want to be under their roof cause they are a staple in Prog metal for last 10 years by creating some pretty wonderful and modern sounding Prog/metal.
I'd say DT are dads DEAN. ;)
You said it yourself - paterfamilias means head of... not father of... To continue the roman-ecclesiastical train of thought then the pope is the paterfamilias of the catholic church but he is not one of the fathers of the church (or christian fathers) .
In this context "father of" means "progenator".
And, no single band "owns" a genre, least of all Dream Thicket.
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Dean wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
The real fathers of Progressive Metal, as an autonomous genre under umbrella of Progressive Rock as well, are DREAM THEATER.
How can Dream Thicket be the fathers when their first album was released after the subgenre had been born?
Actually, Progressive Metal the subgenre is born with this
I think that you confused Speed Metal, as the subgenre of Heavy Metal in 80's, with Progressive Metal what was born in early 90s as subgenreof Progressive Rock. This *metal* in the name of the subgenre doesn't mean Heavy Metal. Same as Symphonic Prog doesn't mean that the LSO were touring with early Genesis.
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Svetonio wrote:
Dean wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
The real fathers of Progressive Metal, as an autonomous genre under umbrella of Progressive Rock as well, are DREAM THEATER.
How can Dream Thicket be the fathers when their first album was released after the subgenre had been born?
Actually, Progressive Metal the subgenre is born with this
Actually, it wasn't.
Svetonio wrote:
I think that you confused Speed Metal, as the subgenre of Heavy Metal in 80's, with Progressive Metal what was born in early 90s as subgenreof Progressive Rock. This *metal* in the name of the subgenre doesn't mean Heavy Metal. Same as Symphonic Prog doesn't mean that the LSO were touring with early Genesis.
Well, I'm not confusing early Prog Metal with Speed Metal and I've never seen Fates Warning or Queensr’che referred to as Speed Metal even for their early albums. The subgenre gained commercial success in the 90s, but was born in the late 80s whether you agree or not. I like the *idea* that Prog Metal was born out of Prog Rock rather than Heavy Metal, but I suspect it is not correct - the bands involved in the beginnings of Prog Metal marketted themselves as Metal bands, not Prog bands and they are associated (even now) more with the Metal scene than the Prog scene.
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^ Yes I know that DT were released their debut in 1989, and that the Images And Words is the second album by DT, but Images And Words is THE landmark for Progressive Metal subgenre as same as ITCOCK is the landmark for Progressive Rock - not Music In A Doll's House from1968.
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Definitely not worthy!!!! Lol
