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Tony R
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Topic: Jackson Not Guilty !!! Posted: June 13 2005 at 17:20 |
Only in America?
Another OJ scenario???
Discuss.
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nacho
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 17:27 |
Money.
Money...
Lie for it
Spy for it
Kill for it
Die for it
So you call it trust
But I say it's just
In the devil's game
Of greed and lust
They don't care
They'd do me for the money
They don't care
They use me for the money
So you go to church
Read the Holy word
In the scheme of life
It's all absurd
They don't care
They'd kill for the money
Do or dare
The thrill for the money
You're saluting the flag
Your country trusts you
Now you're wearing a badge
You're called the "Just Few"
And you're fighting the wars
A soldier must do
I'll never betray or deceive you my friend but...
If you show me the cash
Then I will take it
If you tell me to cry
Then I will fake it
If you give me a hand
Then I will shake it
You'll do anything for money...
Anything
Anythang
Anything for money
Would lie for you
Would die for you
Even sell my soul to the devil
Anything
Anythang
Anything for money
Would lie for you
Would die for you
Even sell my soul to the devil
Insurance?
Where do your loyalties lie?
Is that your alibi?
I don't think so
You don't care
You'd do her for the money
Say it's fair
You sue her for the money
Want your pot of gold
Need the Midas touch
Bet you sell your soul
Cuz your God is such
You don't care
You kill for the money
Do or dare
The thrill for the money
Are you infected with the same disease
Of lust, gluttoney and greed?
Then watch the ones
With the biggest smiles
The idle jabbers...
Cuz they're the backstabbers
If you know it's a lie
Then you will swear it
If you give it with guilt
Then you will bear it
If it's taking a chance
Then you will dare it
You'll do anything for money...
Anything
Anythang
Anything for money
Would lie for you
Would die for you
Even sell my soul to the devil
Anything
Anythang
Anything for money
Would lie for you
Would die for you
Even sell my soul to the devil
Anything
Anythang
Anything for money
Would lie for you
Would die for you
Even sell my soul to the devil
Anything
Anythang
Anything for money
Would lie for you
Would die for you
Even sell my soul to the devil
You say you wouldn't do it
For all the money in the world
I don't think so
If you show me the man
Then I will sell him
If you ask me to lie
Then I will tell him
If you're dealing with God
Then you will hell him
You'll do anything for money
Anything
Anythang
Anything for money
Would lie for you
Would die for you
Even sell my soul to the devil
(Repeat 8 times)
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tuxon
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 17:28 |
Well maybe he isn't guilty
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Tony R
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 17:34 |
tuxon wrote:
Well maybe he isn't guilty |
But would he have been convicted if he was guilty????
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tuxon
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 17:41 |
If there was hard evidence, I think so.
But Jackson faced 20 years imprisonment, for charges that couldn't be proven beyond reasonable doubt. IMO not even close. I don't know whether MJ is guilty or not, the evidence, and the stories around him are inconclusive, and open for all kinds of interpretation.
If he's innocent I think he's badly scared by the procedings, and nothing can compensate for that.
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Garion81
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 17:48 |
Tony R wrote:
tuxon wrote:
Well maybe he isn't guilty |
But would he have been convicted if he was guilty????
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Hard to say Tony. But I think this one had holes in it and Jackson's lawyers were sharp to expose every one. The most critical was the mother of the accusors testimony (from the MSNBC artical):
The mother spent several days on the stand, offering testimony that was always dramatic, sometimes bizarre and occasionally incoherent. She described her last stay at Neverland as tense and scary, but never quite explained why she didn't called police or other authorities.
At first, she said, Jackson's aides tenderly offered to help her family from the barrage of media interest. Jurors heard a tape of associate Frank Tyson, whom prosecutors called an unindicted co-conspirator, telling her, “Let us take care of you. Let us protect you.” But she insisted that Jackson's associates, whom she called “killers” on the stand, eventually turned on her: holding her a virtual captive for weeks and plotting to take her family on a one-way trip to Brazil.
Yet testimony detailed that she could leave Neverland to shop and run errands.
The mother faced her own legal scrutiny during the trial, and Mesereau frequently underscored her credibility problems with jurors. She was forced to acknowledge she lied under oath in a 2001 lawsuit against JC Penney, and she took the Fifth over allegations that she committed welfare fraud. A welfare worker testified she had.
Other witnesses, including her former sister-in-law, portrayed the accuser's family as vindictive and money-hungry, the mother as a grifter who pleaded for help — often invoking her family's misfortunes — and always asked for more.
TV host Jay Leno told jurors how he grew suspicious when the accuser called him repeatedly, saying Leno was his hero.
On a nother note the only thing of real truth that came from the whole thing was this statement:
Talk show host Larry King appeared in court, but Melville ruled his testimony irrelevant.
That could be said about anything Larry says.
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Tony R
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 17:55 |
One cant help but worry about a situation where an adult male takes young boys into his bed....It is easy in these days of lost-innocence to always believe the worst,but I believe he exhibits the major "symptons" of paedophilia..
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Snow Dog
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 17:57 |
I actually never believed he was guilty judging from what I know of him and the whole case seemed suspect to me!
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 17:58 |
Thanks Tony. Whether he was voted guity or not, I find myself incredibly
creeped-out with what he did.
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Tony R
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 17:58 |
Snow Dog wrote:
I actually never believed he was guilty judging from what I know of him and the whole case seemed suspect to me! |
Regularly pops into your local for a pint does he???
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Garion81
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 17:59 |
Tony R wrote:
One cant help but worry about a situation where an adult male takes young boys into his bed....It is easy in these days of lost-innocence to always believe the worst,but I believe he exhibits the major "symptons" of paedophilia.. |
Oh, believe me I concur. It's just proving it in court with a bunch of nuts that were accusors is hard to do. Of course one thing I might have considered about the mother is she had to be a bit deranged to let the boy sleep with Jackson anyway. And the fact that celebrities will circle the wagons when one of their own is accused.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 18:07 |
Tony R wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
I actually never believed he was guilty judging from what I know of him and the whole case seemed suspect to me! |
Regularly pops into your local for a pint does he???
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Well...no,but we all no that he's basically a child in a mans body don't we?
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tuxon
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 18:17 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Tony R wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
I actually never believed he was guilty judging from what I know of him and the whole case seemed suspect to me! |
Regularly pops into your local for a pint does he???
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Well...no,but we all no that he's basically a child in a mans body don't we?
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And sometimes he's a man in a child's body
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 18:18 |
Snow Dog wrote:
he's basically a child in a mans body don't we? |
Nah, I think he was a man in a childs pants.
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 18:33 |
I knew he was innocent!
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 19:07 |
I believe USA judicial system is a joke, first OJ Simpson found with the weapon, with blood of the two victims, was pursued by the police after he escaped from the murder scene and the jury found him innocent.
Now Michael Jackson:
- Who publicly confessed he used to sleep with children and thought this was correct.
- His defense witness Macauly Caulklin (However his name is written) said that as a minor he slept in Jackson’s bed.
- Pornography and liquor was found with Jackson’s fingerprints in the same room he slept with children.
- ML he settled many cases paying millions
- His ex wife offered incriminatory testimony against Michael Jackson in the Police and Prosecution’s office but she changed her version in the court, this is called torpedo and she should have been accused of perjury.
- Who's behavior is obvious.
- It has been proved that he gave liquor to a minor but the jury decided he didn't do it with purpose of committing a crime, For God's sake, for what reason a grown man who admits he sleeps with children could give liquor to a minor?
Now, just saw the Jury’s press conference, what a bunch of ignorant and mediocres, they were laughing and enjoying themselves as if they were movie stars.
When a reporter asked if any parent would let his son sleep in the same bed with MJ, she said that she was suspicious but that was the mothers fault, everybody else refused to answer the question.
Jury N° 10 said she was impressed by that support for MJ in the door of the court.
A Latin (of those who give bad reputation to Latinos) said that the pornography and liquor in the same room where Michael Jackson slept with children was normal for an adult.
The Jury deliberated for only 30 hours in a ten accusations case, it's simply a joke to justice.
Can anybody believe he sleeps with minors only because he has a pure love for them? That he paid millions to avoid trials when he's innocent? Nobody can be that naive.
And the Judge who admitted this pedophile to be late whenever he wanted or to the court once in pajamas or admitted that circus with those fans shouting Michael Jackson is innocent while the Jury was deliberating, I can say his behavior is at least suspicious.
There’s one justice for the rich and famous and another for the simple mortals, I’m sure that if a priest was simply accused with no evidence of the same crime, the jury would have found him guilty without need for any prove.
Iván
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Hangedman
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 19:39 |
I think he reeks of pedophilia, but in this case not true. the whole think stinks frankly, because i dont want to see a scumbag like the mother get away with that kind of bullcrap but at the same time, im worried that MJ could really be harming children.
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synthguy
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 19:48 |
I hope that the decision was just.
Althought I have my doubts.
Where can we find a jury or Michael's peers?
I never liked him as an "artist". I think less of him as
a human being. Let's hope that at the very least, this
stops his aberhant behavior.
Can you say OJ Simpson?
Sick plastic bastard.
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Ben2112
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 19:50 |
Here's the way I look at it:
As much as I can't stand the guy, and I think he's a wacko, those jurors know 1000 times more about the case than us, so I guess I'll trust their judgement. I think the case, and the family in question, was fishy from the start. If they would have found him guilty, I would have stood behind that as well. But face it; they are the experts on the case, not we.
EDIT: And before anyone brings the O.J. case up to me, I think HE was guilty no matter what that jury said. His jury was set up totally in his favor, and that whole investigation was fouled up so badly that it cost the prosecution the case in many respects. The Jackson jury seemed to be much more well-balanced in terms of things like age, race, and gender.
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Cluster One
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 20:43 |
American Justice System = He with the biggest chequebook wins...
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