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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2013 at 11:11
U2 represents everything I dislike about music.

Boring, dad rock. Boring. Boring. Boring. Boring.

Even more boring than this entire post.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2013 at 10:58
I saw both bands when they were support acts, I'm surprised they got that far to be honest. There is so much in the 80s that was great and worthy of mention, U2 and Police were to 80s post punk what Styx and Aerosmith were to 70s hard rock (ie: okay if you like that kind of thing, just not my cup of darjeeling)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2013 at 10:43
I have all the Police's albums and they are fantastic. I've never really explored U2 to be honest but I'm not so huge on their singles.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2013 at 10:18
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Deans list was most interesting and I would add The Police and U2 who both did some excellent lp's and songs in the 80's even though many prog rock elites would ignore them as being too mainstream.

Screw prog rock elites, they were great bands.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2013 at 09:30
The 80's gave us XTC and Talk Talk......'nuff said.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2013 at 09:18
^ no, not really.
 
 
 
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Not at all in fact. Stern Smile
 
That's not what Minimalism is and that is not what The Berlin School did. Two wrongs don't make a right.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2013 at 08:32
^ That Berlin School is minimalistic music (more than Mr Reich's repetitive albums) - because 80% of that music is studio effects. They weren't a virtuoso on keys & composers of "baroque" electronic tunes as e.g. Vangelis, they were just great inventors on their machines and THE makers of an amazing and unique atmosphere. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2013 at 05:52
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

Originally posted by King Crimson776 King Crimson776 wrote:

Anything labeled "electronic" as a genre is basically minimalism, I've found.


Even relatively involved stuff like later Autechre, Future Sound of London or Venetian Snares?

I guess I should mention that I'm not super into 20th century classical, and it's very possible that most more "popular" electronic music (for lack of a better categorization) sounds less impressive if you're familiar with that tradition. After all, electronica came from Reich/Riley/Stockhausen/etc. through early Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze before Kraftwerk then Giorgio Moroder adapted it to a more pop-friendly format.
The relationship between electronic and minimalism is mostly coincidental, the use of sequencers and loops naturally gives way to repetition, but not in the way that minimalism uses repetition. Both can be seen as Repetitive Music, but different and unrelated branches. Electronic music is far from minimalism and far from minimalistic in my experience, though of course there are electronic artists who are also minimalists, and while some of them acknowledge people like Reich and Riley, most do not.


Pretty much sums up what I was about to post. 
The electronic artists, at least the early ones, did have a fair few minimalistic qualities to their output, but especially the German and French branchings explored new grounds through repetition, that perhaps mimic what most people would refer to as minimalism, yet the focus is another one altogether imho. 
Whereas the 'real' minimalism came from classical musicians such as Eric Satie and later got adopted by folks inside the classical sphere, most of the electronic wave of musicians came from untrained explorers of sound. Froese came from the guitar, whereas Schulze approached his music from a drummer's stool. I think this facet shines through in the music, and electronic, as in fully electronic music, became as a consequence of this, obscure and abstract in a way that the minimalistic pioneers could never do - and vice versa. To me personally, it boils down to the difference in background and what then came out at the other end. Just because both of these seemingly similar musical pathways shared a lot of likenesses, there still is a clear distinction in expression, submersible quality and 'feel'.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2013 at 05:04
Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

Originally posted by King Crimson776 King Crimson776 wrote:

Anything labeled "electronic" as a genre is basically minimalism, I've found.


Even relatively involved stuff like later Autechre, Future Sound of London or Venetian Snares?

I guess I should mention that I'm not super into 20th century classical, and it's very possible that most more "popular" electronic music (for lack of a better categorization) sounds less impressive if you're familiar with that tradition. After all, electronica came from Reich/Riley/Stockhausen/etc. through early Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze before Kraftwerk then Giorgio Moroder adapted it to a more pop-friendly format.
The relationship between electronic and minimalism is mostly coincidental, the use of sequencers and loops naturally gives way to repetition, but not in the way that minimalism uses repetition. Both can be seen as Repetitive Music, but different and unrelated branches. Electronic music is far from minimalism and far from minimalistic in my experience, though of course there are electronic artists who are also minimalists, and while some of them acknowledge people like Reich and Riley, most do not.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2013 at 04:35
Originally posted by King Crimson776 King Crimson776 wrote:

Anything labeled "electronic" as a genre is basically minimalism, I've found.


Even relatively involved stuff like later Autechre, Future Sound of London or Venetian Snares?

I guess I should mention that I'm not super into 20th century classical, and it's very possible that most more "popular" electronic music (for lack of a better categorization) sounds less impressive if you're familiar with that tradition. After all, electronica came from Reich/Riley/Stockhausen/etc. through early Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze before Kraftwerk then Giorgio Moroder adapted it to a more pop-friendly format.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2013 at 23:58
Originally posted by King Crimson776 King Crimson776 wrote:

Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

Out of curiosity: Which specific artists/records/composition would you use as examples of how to do minimalism the right and wrong ways? Also, modern electronic music is extremely heterogenous.

Good (genius) minimalism is Music for 18 Musicians. That piece is, paradoxically, amazingly complex. It's lush and beautiful. Bad is minimal electronic that just bludgeons away mind-numbingly. Anything labeled "electronic" as a genre is basically minimalism, I've found.
Agreed about Music for 18 Musicians (1978), that's monumental masterpiece. But, another Mr Reich's album recorded for ECM is my fav by him. Do you heard Tehillim (1981)? If you're not heard yet, I recommend this album to you. Tehillim is one of the best LPs in '80s.



 






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2013 at 22:05
Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

Out of curiosity: Which specific artists/records/composition would you use as examples of how to do minimalism the right and wrong ways? Also, modern electronic music is extremely heterogenous.

Good (genius) minimalism is Music for 18 Musicians. That piece is, paradoxically, amazingly complex. It's lush and beautiful. Bad is minimal electronic that just bludgeons away mind-numbingly. Anything labeled "electronic" as a genre is basically minimalism, I've found.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2013 at 21:29
The Re-Flex, Icehouse, Danny Wilson, Lush, Love and Money, Aztec Camera, Michael Brook, Daniel Lanois, Art of Noise, Style Council, The Moon and the Melodies, Toad the Wet Sprocket, It's Immaterial, Jesus and Mary Chain, Robert Palmer, Kip Hanrahan, Arto Linday & The Ambitious Lovers, Ryuichi Sakamoto, Material, Martha and the Muffins, The League of Gentleman, The Neville Brothers, Gang of Four, Johnny Warman, W.O.M.A.D., Adrian Belew, The Smiths, The Roches, Tom Tom Club, David & Steve Gordon, Mickey Hart, Jean-Luc Ponty, Jean-Pierre Rampal, Gene Loves Jezebel, Annette Peacock, Jane Siberry, Bruce Cockburn, Lene Lovitch, Jon Hassell, John McLaughlin, Clannad, and The Chieftans, to name a few, were also doing quite interesting things in the 80s. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2013 at 17:39
Originally posted by Chris S Chris S wrote:

Deans covered most of em, but also Talking Heads, The Sound, Ralph Towner and many from ECM, John Cale, Brian Eno,and all our prog artists already on PA, oh Prefab Sprout and Everything But The Girl, Portishead...the list goes on.

Anyone who thinks the 80's was a disappointment should perhaps go see a shrinkTongue
Aye, my list is far from definative (I think Portishead are a little later though), I could add Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds, The Birthday Party, The Wedding Present, Einstürzende Neubauten, Gang Of Four, Soup Dragons, The Shamen, Rose of Avalanche, PIL, My Bloody Valentine, ...And the Native Hipsters, The Marionettes, Red Lorry Yellow Lorry and a host more - there are depths yet to be plumbed. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2013 at 17:26
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Deans list was most interesting and I would add The Police and U2 who both did some excellent lp's and songs in the 80's even though many prog rock elites would ignore them as being too mainstream.
Well, no. Not those, (and not for any elitish reasons either), nor Tears For Fears, Simple Minds, Orchestral Maneouvers in the Dark, Human League, A Flock Of Seaguls, Haircut One Hundred, Duran Duran, Culture Club, Spandau Ballet or Dire Straits. U2, Police, Human League and Simple Minds may have started out as part of the left-field/underground/alternative scene they don't really belong.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2013 at 17:21
Deans covered most of em, but also Talking Heads, The Sound, Ralph Towner and many from ECM, John Cale, Brian Eno,and all our prog artists already on PA, oh Prefab Sprout and Everything But The Girl, Portishead...the list goes on.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2013 at 17:14
Deans list was most interesting and I would add The Police and U2 who both did some excellent lp's and songs in the 80's even though many prog rock elites would ignore them as being too mainstream.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2013 at 16:33
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Dean, You pretty much listed every band from the 80's that I never listened to with your post. 
That was pretty much my intention (though not aimed at anyone in particular).
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2013 at 16:27
Dean, You pretty much listed every band from the 80's that I never listened to with your post.  Talk Talk is the only band on that whole list that I own something from, and that was a compilation that I bought a few months ago. Edit:  Oh wait..I do have 2 live albums from Japan.  Edit once again: And 1 album and 1 compilation from The Cure.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2013 at 16:26
Oh yeah....just rekindled myself with Fields Of The Nephilim - Elizium. Quite simply an amazing album! That, and The Cure's Pornography, are getting a lot of playtime at my apartment these daysSmile 
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