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dr wu23
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Posted: September 11 2013 at 10:05 |
Luna wrote:
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Despite the truly inventive music that was being made - with Pop as much as anything else - in retrospect, the '80s were more or less the vapid and disappointing period we all thought it was.
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Care to elaborate? I know that popular music back then really plummeted, but popular music has never really been good. |
There have been many 'popular bands' over the years that have done some very good music......
what exactly do you mean by popular music btw.? Are you referring to the pop divas, boy bands, what...?
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Posted: September 11 2013 at 20:25 |
Luna wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
Despite the truly inventive music that was being made - with Pop as much as anything else - in retrospect, the '80s were more or less the vapid and disappointing period we all thought it was. | Care to elaborate? I know that popular music back then really plummeted, but popular music has never really been good. |
There have been periods where 'Pop' was high quality, even innovative ; Gershwin, the Beach Boys, Dylan, Jimi Hendrix, etc. And there absolutely were some wonderful 1980s acts, Simple Minds, Cocteau Twins, '80s King Crimson, even Yngwie Malmsteen. But if you look at what was happening, the musical movements that were most prevalent as seen on MTV or the Billboard charts, it was artist like INXS, A-ha, George Michael, Huey Lewis, Hall&Oates, and Springsteen's jingoist period that were setting the tone. I think also for music lovers and musicians, the decade represented a sort of "giving in" to the new clean, clipped & streamlined look and robotic sounds of that period. No one seemed immune, few survived, and drummers and bassists were on the verge of going extinct thanks to new technology. Luckily that never really happened but it could have.
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Posted: September 11 2013 at 21:15 |
dr wu23 wrote:
Luna wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
Despite the truly inventive music that was being made - with Pop as much as anything else - in retrospect, the '80s were more or less the vapid and disappointing period we all thought it was.
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Care to elaborate? I know that popular music back then really plummeted, but popular music has never really been good. |
There have been many 'popular bands' over the years that have done some very good music......
what exactly do you mean by popular music btw.? Are you referring to the pop divas, boy bands, what...?
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Chart music. Radio music. Grammy music. You get the deal.
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Posted: September 12 2013 at 01:31 |
Pop music was actually good for a brief period in the late 60's.
Avant-prog was on fire in the early 80's. Other than that, it's a mishmash of ok jazz albums and other random sh*t. After that, prog started to come back. I don't really care about 'new' genres invented after avant-prog. It's mostly really bad minimalism. You have to be extremely talented to do minimalism well. Modern electronic music is particularly abhorrent. I am not a robot, gyrating rigidly to and fro in some repetitive task (although, I suppose a lot of people now kind of are like that). I need more than a bludgeoning minimal beat or pattern.
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Posted: September 12 2013 at 05:36 |
Out of curiosity: Which specific artists/records/composition would you use as examples of how to do minimalism the right and wrong ways? Also, modern electronic music is extremely heterogenous.
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Posted: September 12 2013 at 06:11 |
I.Q., Marillion, Pendragon and Twelfth Night were going on in the 80's
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Posted: September 12 2013 at 07:46 |
Metal had its heyday during the '80s. Although it was mostly hair-metal and glam selling in large amounts, speed, thrash and death metal all got their start during that time.
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dr wu23
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Posted: September 12 2013 at 10:16 |
Luna wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Luna wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
Despite the truly inventive music that was being made - with Pop as much as anything else - in retrospect, the '80s were more or less the vapid and disappointing period we all thought it was.
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Care to elaborate? I know that popular music back then really plummeted, but popular music has never really been good. |
There have been many 'popular bands' over the years that have done some very good music......
what exactly do you mean by popular music btw.? Are you referring to the pop divas, boy bands, what...?
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Chart music. Radio music. Grammy music. You get the deal. |
That's what I thought and as I mentioned there have been plenty of great 'pop' bands over the last 45-50 years...and in the 80's.
Edited by dr wu23 - September 12 2013 at 10:17
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Posted: September 12 2013 at 10:29 |
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Posted: September 12 2013 at 11:13 |
Atavachron wrote:
Luna wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
Despite the truly inventive music that was being made - with Pop as much as anything else - in retrospect, the '80s were more or less the vapid and disappointing period we all thought it was. | Care to elaborate? I know that popular music back then really plummeted, but popular music has never really been good. |
There have been periods where 'Pop' was high quality, even innovative; Gershwin, the Beach Boys, Dylan, Jimi Hendrix, etc. And there absolutely were some wonderful 1980s acts, Simple Minds, Cocteau Twins, '80s King Crimson, even Yngwie Malmsteen. But if you look at what was happening, the musical movements that were most prevalent as seen on MTV or the Billboard charts, it was artist like INXS, A-ha, George Michael, Huey Lewis, Hall&Oates, and Springsteen's jingoist period that were setting the tone.
I think also for music lovers and musicians, the decade represented a sort of "giving in" to the new clean, clipped & streamlined look and robotic sounds of that period. No one seemed immune, few survived, and drummers and bassists were on the verge of going extinct thanks to new technology. Luckily that never really happened but it could have.
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I tend to prefer A-ha over America and Bread. The musical movement that was most prevalent, anyways, was New Wave
which included much better artists than INXS. Are you forgetting Talking Heads, The Fixx, The Cars, and New Order? Or did those never "happen?"
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Posted: September 12 2013 at 12:14 |
All decades are the same. There's good music, bad music and great music in all of them. While we persist in comparing the best of what we do like with the worse of what we don't, we'll forever be patting ourselves on the back for our good fortune of being blessed with great taste in music. Compare the best with the best; or compare what you like from one era with what you like from another - play fair.
The mainstream Pop of the 70s wasn't our cup of tea either, we don't go around saying how crap Brotherhood of Man or Captain & Tennille were compared to Marillion or Big Big Train. The list of great bands from the 80s is huge, just don't look to the top-40 Pop charts for them, just as you wouldn't look there now or in the 70s.
If you want a great expressive natural bassplayer from the 80s look to Mick Karn, if you want a gifted guitarist look to John McGeoch or Michael Hedges (may they both rest in peace), if you want a talented drummer who wouldn't dream of using a gated snare look to Peter Clarke (aka Budgie)... every generation has great musicians.
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Posted: September 12 2013 at 15:07 |
Other than IQ, Marillion, Al Stewart , Simple Minds , OMD , Ultravox , Visage , Kate Bush , Tangerine Dream , Vangelis , J M Jarre, Iron Maiden , PIL , XTC , Siouxsie and The Banshees, Mike Oldfield , Eloy , Mark Isham , Stephen Caudel ,King Crimson , Peter Gabriel and Enya it was a load of rubbish really.
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Posted: September 12 2013 at 15:11 |
Talk Talk
David Syvian and his collaborators.
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Posted: September 12 2013 at 16:20 |
A Certain Ratio, All About Eve, Alien Sex Fiend, Altered Images, The Associates, Toni Basil, The Books, Bauhaus, Cabaret Voltaire, Colourbox, Cowboys International, Chrome, Anne Clark, Classix Nouveaux, Cocteau Twins, Comsat Angels, The Creatures, The Cure, Dalek I Love You, Dali's Car, Danielle Dax, The Dream Academy, Echo and the Bunnymen, The Europeans, The Explorers, Fad Gadget, The Fields of The Nephilim, Fiction Factory, The Fixx, John Foxx, Ultravox!, Gentlemen Without Weapons, Girls At Our Best!, Nina Hagen, Head Of David, The Icicleworks, The Immaculate Fools, Japan, The JAMM's/Timelords/KLF, Kissing the Pink, Annabel Lamb, Magazine, The Lover Speaks, Love and Rockets, Modern English, Modern Man, The Monochrome Set, New Model Army, The Passage, Peter and The Testtube Babies, The Pop Group, Pop Will Eat Itself, The Psychedelic Furs, The Punishment of Luxury, Random Hold, Rikki and The Last Days of The Earth, The Scars, Shelleyan Orphan, Siouxsie and The Banshees, Skinny Puppy, The Slits, Slow Children, The Sound, Spliff, Swans, Talk Talk, The Teardrop Explodes, This Moral Coil, Toyah, Tuxedomoon, Virgin Dance, Victorian Parents, Wire, The Waterboys, The Wonder Stuff, XTC, Xmal Deutschland and the Clan of Zymox
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Posted: September 12 2013 at 16:26 |
Oh yeah....just rekindled myself with Fields Of The Nephilim - Elizium. Quite simply an amazing album! That, and The Cure's Pornography, are getting a lot of playtime at my apartment these days
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Posted: September 12 2013 at 16:27 |
Dean, You pretty much listed every band from the 80's that I never listened to with your post. Talk Talk is the only band on that whole list that I own something from, and that was a compilation that I bought a few months ago. Edit: Oh wait..I do have 2 live albums from Japan. Edit once again: And 1 album and 1 compilation from The Cure.
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Dean
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Posted: September 12 2013 at 16:33 |
rushfan4 wrote:
Dean, You pretty much listed every band from the 80's that I never listened to with your post. |
That was pretty much my intention (though not aimed at anyone in particular).
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dr wu23
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Posted: September 12 2013 at 17:14 |
Deans list was most interesting and I would add The Police and U2 who both did some excellent lp's and songs in the 80's even though many prog rock elites would ignore them as being too mainstream.
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Posted: September 12 2013 at 17:21 |
Deans covered most of em, but also Talking Heads, The Sound, Ralph Towner and many from ECM, John Cale, Brian Eno,and all our prog artists already on PA, oh Prefab Sprout and Everything But The Girl, Portishead...the list goes on.
Anyone who thinks the 80's was a disappointment should perhaps go see a shrink
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Dean
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Posted: September 12 2013 at 17:26 |
dr wu23 wrote:
Deans list was most interesting and I would add The Police and U2 who both did some excellent lp's and songs in the 80's even though many prog rock elites would ignore them as being too mainstream. |
Well, no. Not those, (and not for any elitish reasons either), nor Tears For Fears, Simple Minds, Orchestral Maneouvers in the Dark, Human League, A Flock Of Seaguls, Haircut One Hundred, Duran Duran, Culture Club, Spandau Ballet or Dire Straits. U2, Police, Human League and Simple Minds may have started out as part of the left-field/underground/alternative scene they don't really belong.
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