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Poll Question: Which band would you call the fathers of Prog Metal
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Oh hey guys? What about DEEP PURPLE? I think they have their place here as well.
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That's what I said on the last page, dammit. LOL
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Stupid poll. Where are High Tide and King Crimson, for f**k's sake? Sabbath had nothing to do with prog, Rush came very lately, in mid-70's.




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f**k it. I stand by my 'other' vote.
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Prog metal had no father. It sprang full-formed from the forehead of Robert Fripp. Who promptly disowned it.
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Prog has no sole fore-father, but many forefathers. Fripp is one of them indeed. Come on I mean a track like 21st century schizoid man in 1969 turned a few heads for sure. :)
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Sabbath had a lot to do with it and later Iron Maiden who were really the first straight forward metal band to intruduce non-standard rhythms. But I think the real big bang in the prog metal universe was the metal - hardcore punk crossover scene. It was that point where those who railed against the "excesses of the rock music industry" found themselves turning away from the standard 3-4 chords, verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-solo-bridge-verse-chorus structure. The backlash came round full circle.

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Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

There is no one band.
 
I would agree with that,.....and as several have already pointed out in this thread there is more than one band who influenced the prog metal style.
 
btw ..I voted for Rush. I listened to Sabbath from the very first lp while in college and I never saw them as progressive per se but more akin to heavy metal. At least that's how they seemed to me.


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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Prog metal had no father. It sprang full-formed from the forehead of Robert Fripp. Who promptly disowned it.
 
One could make a case for that..........
 
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From PA's very own page pn prog Metal...   http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=19
 
"The Origins:
The heavy sound of some of the progressive rock bands of the 70's has been one of the building blocks on which progressive metal was raised. Progressive rock pioneers such as KING CRIMSON and RUSH have often been acclaimed as the main influences of progressive metal bands. The other major influence has been the NWOBHM (New Wave of British Heavy Metal) movement, and especially the twin-guitar arrangements of IRON MAIDEN, which have left their stamp on the early stages of the genre's development."
 
Interestingly...Sabbath isn't mentioned on that page.....just saying.

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Let's say it was Rainbow: the former guitarist of Deep Purple with the future singer of Black Sabbath, and the math is solved!
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Prog metal had no father. It sprang full-formed from the forehead of Robert Fripp. Who promptly disowned it.



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It doesn't really have a single father because bands like Dream Theater were influenced by Rush who were influenced by Led Zeppelin who were influenced by old blues artists like Robert Johnson, Willie Dixon (and folk artists like Joan Baez and Bob Dylan) so it's going to be very subjective, depending how far back the line you are going to go
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Originally posted by Stool Man Stool Man wrote:

Rush as the fathers of Prog Metal?  I consider Black Sabbath were moreso.  What do you think?
 
Such BS!
 
Black Sabbath became one of the better known of these metal things, but there were already quite a few of them running around, in the Bay Area, LA, NY and London ... BS just had the name that was recognizable right away, and got everyone's funnel going!
 
It's like telling me that Quatermass was not better than BS's first albums ... and the first piece alone, was an example of some of the metal style that was already around. Even JRD paid a tribute to the one great piece in that album!
 
Spooky Tooth, was better and more interesting than the bullsh*t that BS sang about! LA and SF were littered with many of these bands that were hard and then some. Even good old Iggy and the Stooges makes BS just another cheap rock band! Budgie might also fit in this area. Heck, even the Edgar Broughton Band, was hard enough that no one in this PA here can enjoy any of their albums! Talk about jaded! And they had some serious political stuff in many pieces, while BS had topical material at best!
 
Rush, for my tastes, is the father of the "working class heroes" as John Lennon used to say! Cheaper music for the masses! And while I would not exactly criticize their musicianship, I question the validity of it all other than their fame ... !!!


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What about Blue Oyster Cult? I think them and Uriah Heep are the precursor of prog-metal, but it can be my ignorance of the genre. 
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BOC is definitely one of the bands. They lyrically had the SF/horror concepts down, at least.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

BOC is definitely one of the bands. They lyrically had the SF/horror concepts down, at least.
 
Great hard rock band.....just saw them about a month ago in my local area. Only  2 original members left but they were still pretty good for old men.
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

BOC is definitely one of the bands. They lyrically had the SF/horror concepts down, at least.



 

Great hard rock band.....just saw them about a month ago in my local area. Only  2 original members left but they were still pretty good for old men.

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I agree, they still bring it. Glad I saw them when Allen was still in the band.
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For me it was the combination of three bands  - Black Sabbath, Uriah Heep and Deep Purple. When I listen to Dream Theater I am reminded a great deal of Deep Purple for some reason - more so perhaps when I listen to Deep Purple live as opposed to in the studio. 
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