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Dayvenkirq
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 25 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 10970 |
Posted: June 06 2013 at 01:10 | ||||
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TODDLER
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: August 28 2009 Location: Vineland, N.J. Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
Posted: June 06 2013 at 12:25 | ||||
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Second Life Syndrome
Prog Reviewer Joined: August 20 2012 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 361 |
Posted: June 09 2013 at 00:04 | ||||
Hey, buddy. I'll check out your band. Send me a message over at The Prog Mind on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/TheProgMind) and I would be glad to take a listen and review it for progarchives as well as powerofmetal.dk where I'm a writer. Cheers.
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: June 09 2013 at 02:48 | ||||
Ah, the power of the Prog Mind for self-promotion. Foie gras is just posh spam.
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Second Life Syndrome
Prog Reviewer Joined: August 20 2012 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 361 |
Posted: June 09 2013 at 07:19 | ||||
No, I just felt bad for the guy. No one paid him any heed. I want him to send me a message so I can be more candid---you know, not under this assumed name. I am NOT a superhero. I literally get nothing out of it.
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moshkito
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 17524 |
Posted: June 09 2013 at 10:59 | ||||
Coming from a highly literary house (45k books of portuguese, brazilian and spanish literature), I find this strange. In essence, the SUN is out there, and if you want to get a TAN, you put on your shorts and go do it. There might be other people out there or not. It's not the issue! I have no qualms about sharing the music with anyone ... if they know it or not. I'm not sure that all of these artists, and musicians for 500 years, did not want an inch of representation and appreciation from an audience, though, we know that many didn't. I write for me! BECAUSE IT IS WHAT I SEE INSIDE MY MOVIE not because I don't like people and do not wish to share with anyone. I will share what I can ... and I DO, here, for example. I do not feel threatened by anyone here. Love them all. Would gladly share ABC's with anyone, because they all have some details that are always neat ... and endup showing up inside your noggin as a part of you! There is no shame in that ... people do that to each other with or without sex! The only issue, is that the "experience" itself, is an individual thing ... and hearing those old fat doggies coming out of the Shankar/Menuhin concert and say things like ... "all that improvisation, how can that be music?" ... taught me right then, that some people don't get it ... unless they are told ... they are social mongers, not creators and not important people for my life! My only concern here, and yes, generally to be able to DEFINE what you and music (whether you play it or not), are all about ... and once you can see that, the words and expressions are easy ... but sometimes, what throws me off ... not really, but I find it nuts, is reading it here, and how some folks are not willing (or capable) of defining their OWN listening experience, beyong the beat they like, or a chord change that resonates with themselves! And that's called "addiction"! Well, I have an addiction to music, but it is not my life! My own poetry and writing is my own music! In different notes ... it is only personal in that it comes from "within" ... but other than that ... it is not something that I can not talk about nowadays, because I can and do here -- a lot -- sometimes too much it seems, but it is as honest and open and caring as I know how to be about the "art" of it all ... it's not something you "dominate" and "demand" from ... it's something that just happens and you are either ready for it, or NOT!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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Psychedelic Ensemble
Forum Newbie Joined: August 02 2010 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 11 |
Posted: August 04 2013 at 16:21 | ||||
Seems to me it's all important.
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progbethyname
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 30 2012 Location: HiFi Headmania Status: Offline Points: 7849 |
Posted: August 04 2013 at 16:24 | ||||
Anyone listen to T's Psychoanorexia yet? Some major philosophy and poetry in the lyrics of that album. Quite dense actually. :)
Give it a spin guys. It's great. :) |
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Rando
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 08 2006 Location: Bay Area Status: Offline Points: 472 |
Posted: August 05 2013 at 09:45 | ||||
I have always felt Prog to be music & literature combined; and I use the word "literature" here to define a style of lyric writing that included literary references, philosophy, scifi, fantasy, spirituality, and even political and social commentary. A style of music with a unique duality, with its own body & spirit, some of it good, some of it not so good. In my case I'm going to use Genesis (Gabriel-Hackett era) as an example, (Now I'm aware we all have our favorite(s)), because Genesis was a storytelling band combined with great music, and they were one of the best at it. At the time, ('70's) I was really into English folklore, William Blake, Tolkien, Greek mythology, some scfi, to name just a few. What appealed to me was discovering some of these references and influences in their music and I was hooked. At the same time there was an element of irony with a light humor that kept me sitting there entertained and still listening. Now, sorry, I didn't mean to get all "high-brow" about this, but it was the first time I had found a musical mindset that coincided or balanced out with mine with all the elements mentioned above. Of course there were other bands & artists that fell into place for me. And if there is such a thing as a Prog Mind then that's when I discovered mine. There was no going back. |
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- Music is Life, that's why our hearts have beats -
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warrplayer
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 18 2010 Location: Charlotte, NC Status: Offline Points: 111 |
Posted: August 21 2013 at 14:54 | ||||
You seem to be confusing philosophies with philosophy. while I might agree that fully formed philoshopies of life are little better than religions, the actual job of modern philosophers is to think about and pose questions about the human condition, human behavior, etc. this is usually no longer done in a vacuum, with philosophers dialoging with socialogists, pyschiatrists, neurologists, etc. Much of this if done well, can lead to intersting thought experiments which can then lead to actual experiments that lead to new facts about the humn brain or human behavior. The Stanford prison experiment is a perfect example. Basically we now understand how nazis are made. Philosopher musings on consciousness have led to experiemnts on change blindness, human memory capacity, etc, etc which have lead to new factual knowledge about how the brain works. So, even if you found the study of major philosophies of thought to be a complete waste of time for yourself, trying to make out that science has not advanced in some small part due to philosophy isn't really a believable proposition. Sure, if you are a nillist you can rant about mankind being doomed to repeat its mistakes over and over, but that's a cop out on the question of whether philosophy as ever contributed to the store of human knowledge. It has.
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: August 21 2013 at 17:12 | ||||
Nope. I'm pretty sure I know the difference between a philosophy and philosophy to avoid such confusion, but you seem to know me better than I do.
So, to paraphrase the drummer joke - a philosopher is someone who hangs around with scientists.
Except that's psychology not philosophy and it does not show how nazis are made and from a scientific point of view it was a flawed experiment. But that's psychology for you.
Again, psychology rather than philosophy.
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warrplayer
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 18 2010 Location: Charlotte, NC Status: Offline Points: 111 |
Posted: August 21 2013 at 17:26 | ||||
Sorry, What is a nillist? Someone who doesn't recognize a misspelling. : )
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: August 21 2013 at 17:30 | ||||
I'm dyslexic, I wasn't picking you up on spelling. I have never bothered to remember what a nihilist is as it is a peice of information that serves no purpose.
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warrplayer
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 18 2010 Location: Charlotte, NC Status: Offline Points: 111 |
Posted: August 21 2013 at 17:38 | ||||
Well, while I agree with you whole heartedly about the ultimate pointlessness of human endeavor, my point was that philosophers do engage with scientists now days and this leads to verifiable experiments. You can go through any examples I provide and say, well, that is neurology, or that is psycology. But, if the experiemnt came about because of musings between a philosophy major and a neurologist then I stand by my general ascertion that philosophy can ultimately lead to greater human knowledge. Are you thinking if we went back in time and kept assasinating Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle that when we returned to the present we would find the world just as scientificly advanced as it currently is?
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: August 21 2013 at 18:26 | ||||
Unless you give an example of one such philosophy major then I cannot comment, evidence trumps hearsay.
In the days of Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle philosophy covered everything - all science, mathematics, astronomy, astrology, alchemy, biology, physics, geology, physiology, psycology, sociology, music, poetry (etc) - all fell under the umberella of philosophy (philo=loving; sophia=wisdom/knowledge), it was only after the 16th century that we started to seperate out this "love of knowledge" into seperate and distinct disciplines, and in doing so created philosophy as idle pastime where it adopted a more rigid definition regarding contemplation about existence and knowledge and ethics. If we (hyperthetically) could irradicate that particular kind of "musing" from Socrates at least, he may have lived longer and given us more. If we form a different list of ancient Greeks - say Aristotle, Pythagoras and Archimedes - then philosophy (as the seperate discipline of the post-16th century) is of less importance compared to the physical sciences (ie after Aristotle). So the answer to your hyperthetical sage assasination question is probably "yes".
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progbethyname
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 30 2012 Location: HiFi Headmania Status: Offline Points: 7849 |
Posted: August 23 2013 at 18:25 | ||||
Lol. Nihilism? A person who rejects all religious principals and believes earnestly with extream skepticism all philosophical theories are obsolete. Dean, could this be you?
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Shutoku
Forum Newbie Joined: August 03 2013 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 19 |
Posted: August 23 2013 at 19:13 | ||||
I am definitely more of a music guy than a lyric guy, and for most music I seldom take the time to figure out what is being said. In fact there are for example Beatle lyrics I've sung for 40 years I never really thought about the meaning of. For me they are sort of like an instrument, and the sound of the word is musically more important than the meaning.
Now a curious exception for me is the lyrics of Jon Anderson. His I paid more attention to and did try to decipher meaning from. Maybe because his lyrics are so strange that sort of like a Zen koan, they challenged me. I am another who was introduced to Paramansa Yogananda largely through TFTO. TFTO opened my mind musically, and the idea it was based on a footnote in Autobiography of a Yogi was enough for me to get a copy. This lead to becoming vegetarian, giving up drugs, taking up meditation, and the beginning of my spiritual journey in life. It was all timing. If I encountered Yogananda today I wouldn't be terribly impressed, but it was the perfect vehicle for me at the time. Today I am a Buddhist and have been for 20 or so years (Jodo Shinshu with a large Zen influence) though I do still see a one-ness in the basic teachings of religions...in fact I think of religion much like language and music and art...different cultures and epochs have their own versions which serve the same purpose. The problems arise when people start taking myths too literally and insisting any view other than theirs is wrong. Anyway, in my case I cannot say that a song changed my life, though in a very real way TFTO did, in that it introduced me to really progressive music, and more deeply introduced me to Eastern spirituality. TFTO was my gateway drug. Anyway mostly I don't pay too much attention to lyrics, but to the sounds of the vocals. |
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bonestorm
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 07 2012 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 140 |
Posted: August 23 2013 at 19:19 | ||||
Hahaha... scathing reply incoming in 3, 2, 1... |
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: August 23 2013 at 19:27 | ||||
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progbethyname
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 30 2012 Location: HiFi Headmania Status: Offline Points: 7849 |
Posted: August 23 2013 at 20:16 | ||||
Hey ThrillHouse!! Speaking of philosophical principals, I meant to tell you that I really enjoyed your album. The story is so compelling....it starts with a hand....then the rest of the human vessel becomes a mindless, memory-less drone enslaved to a company. Wooooo 110 years old he will be one day. Also, pretty sad when Jane walks in and he doesn't know who she is. :( Great guitar as well to capture that moment. Nailed it! I liked man. You should be proud of your sound you create. I find it is highly agreeable with me. Thanks so much. ;) |
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