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sukmytoe 
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 Posted: August 19 2013 at 14:02 |
Nope  Listened to it again and as far as I'm concerned "Relayer" leaves it stone cold - I still don't get all the hype for CTTE although it is a work of art admittedly however it's art that doesn't grab me all that hard. Spooled up the "Soon" section of "Gates.." and as always it blew my mind. At a push I personally would rate "Close to the Edge" with 4 stars but it would be a hard push especially noting that right now I'm listening to VDGG's H To He album which rates a 4 at least in my eyes. CTTE top of the heap for me? No, kind of in the middle somewhere.
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Posted: August 19 2013 at 14:04 |
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H to the He is a much better album, and the band that made it is much better than Yes.
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Earthmover
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Posted: August 19 2013 at 14:08 |
 Horizons wrote:
H to the He is a much better album, and the band that made it is much better than Yes. |
Why are you stating obvious facts here?
Edited by mister nobody - August 19 2013 at 14:08
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Posted: August 19 2013 at 14:09 |
mister nobody wrote:
Horizons wrote:
H to the He is a much better album, and the band that made it is much better than Yes. |
Why are you stating obvious facts here?
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It's important for education.
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octopus-4
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Posted: August 19 2013 at 14:11 |
mister nobody wrote:
Horizons wrote:
H to the He is a much better album, and the band that made it is much better than Yes. |
Why are you stating obvious facts here?
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Nothing against VdGG, but I feel it like saying that Love Beach is better than Tarkus
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Horizons
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Posted: August 19 2013 at 14:15 |
octopus-4 wrote:
mister nobody wrote:
Horizons wrote:
H to the He is a much better album, and the band that made it is much better than Yes. |
Why are you stating obvious facts here?
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Nothing against VdGG, but I feel it like saying that Love Beach is better than Tarkus |
I should check out Love Beach then, seeing i already hate Tarkus.
Edited by Horizons - August 19 2013 at 14:15
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lazland
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Posted: August 19 2013 at 14:21 |
Horizons wrote:
octopus-4 wrote:
mister nobody wrote:
Horizons wrote:
H to the He is a much better album, and the band that made it is much better than Yes. |
Why are you stating obvious facts here?
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Nothing against VdGG, but I feel it like saying that Love Beach is better than Tarkus |
I should check out Love Beach then, seeing i already hate Tarkus.
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Silly comments. I love H to the He, and VDGG were a great band. But to state, unequivocally, that this is better than CTTE is such a subjective opinion as to be practically worthless.
Yes are a better band if you prefer them over VDGG, and vice versa.
In truth, neither are "better", except in people's individual opinion. I happen to prefer CTTE, whilst loving H........
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Posted: August 19 2013 at 14:24 |
You always gotta calm things down ;[
But it's inevitable in a thread that's seeking an answer to such a question.
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sukmytoe
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Posted: August 19 2013 at 14:37 |
Steve is always so calm  Must be all that Hogarth era Marillion. I was getting ready to break out the peanuts and beer for a while there to watch the action before he spoiled it all
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Posted: August 19 2013 at 14:39 |
Now now, i'm not that crazy.
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richardh
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Posted: August 19 2013 at 15:37 |
Well if we are talking about prog albums blowing other prog albums out of the water then for me Aphrodites Child 666 does just that making the likes of Yes and VDGG look as though they are positively lacking ambition 
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Polymorphia
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Posted: August 19 2013 at 15:39 |
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^The distinction of "that crazy" would depend on how much more you liked H than CTTE.
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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: August 19 2013 at 23:31 |
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If you have to explain to somebody what classic Symphonic Prog is, not many better things than letting them listen to And You And I. |
^ I've always thought this was the best pre-Relayer Yes song.
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cstack3
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Posted: August 19 2013 at 23:46 |
The level of musicianship on CTTE was positively sublime. I personally think that Chris Squire was at his very best on CTTE, and kicked the door open for a new style of bass guitar = very aggressive, staccato-picking technique that was quite revolutionary. He took it far beyond what Greg Lake, Ray Bennett and other peers were offering at the time.
I saw the CTTE show in Chicago on 22 September, 1972, and the band performed the entire work flawlessly. Squire was all over the stage, he had a roadie dedicated to feeding his bass guitar chord & then reeling it back in when he moved the other direction!! Squire would sing, play bass and bass pedals simultaneously.
There are excellent bands, and then there was Yes in 1972.
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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: August 20 2013 at 01:27 |
cstack3 wrote:
The level of musicianship on CTTE was positively sublime. I personally think that Chris Squire was at his very best on CTTE, and kicked the door open for a new style of bass guitar = very aggressive, staccato-picking technique that was quite revolutionary. He took it far beyond what Greg Lake, Ray Bennett and other peers were offering at the time.
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^ Squire also championed a brilliant innovation which gave his Rickenbacker 4001 such a distinctive sound. The 4001 featured a stereo output (one output jack per pickup) but unfortunately, Squire's 4001 was a lower priced monophonic model imported to the UK by Rose Morris (a 1964 RM1999). Undeterred, he had his bass rewired for stereo. He then ran 1 pickup through a bass amp and the other through a fuzz box (or overdriven guitar amp). Normally a bass run through a fuzz box loses all the deep low end, but with Squire's setup he kept the low end solid and added that wonderfully distorted treble sound at the same time. For me Squire was revolutionary for both his innovative style as well as his unique sound.
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Gerinski
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Posted: August 20 2013 at 03:41 |
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And in a time when LP cover art was quite important, CTTE did not need a fancy Roger Dean cover to blow a few minds off.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: August 20 2013 at 03:53 |
Gerinski wrote:
And in a time when LP cover art was quite important, CTTE did not need a fancy Roger Dean cover to blow a few minds off. |
Aaah, but it was !!! Especially the inside.
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Gerinski
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Posted: August 20 2013 at 05:44 |
Tom Ozric wrote:
Gerinski wrote:
And in a time when LP cover art was quite important, CTTE did not need a fancy Roger Dean cover to blow a few minds off. |
Aaah, but it was !!! Especially the inside. |
Oh sure, but the wonderful painting was a hidden reward to those who bought the album even with its simple outside cover!
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Gerinski
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Posted: August 20 2013 at 05:49 |
cstack3 wrote:
I saw the CTTE show in Chicago on 22 September, 1972, and the band performed the entire work flawlessly. Squire was all over the stage, he had a roadie dedicated to feeding his bass guitar chord & then reeling it back in when he moved the other direction!! Squire would sing, play bass and bass pedals simultaneously.
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The Taurus bas pedals were not released until 1974-1975. It had to be effects pedals.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: August 20 2013 at 06:37 |
Gerinski wrote:
cstack3 wrote:
I saw the CTTE show in Chicago on 22 September, 1972, and the band performed the entire work flawlessly. Squire was all over the stage, he had a roadie dedicated to feeding his bass guitar chord & then reeling it back in when he moved the other direction!! Squire would sing, play bass and bass pedals simultaneously.
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The Taurus bas pedals were not released until 1974-1975. It had to be effects pedals. |
True. I never heard bass pedals in Yes music.
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