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progbethyname
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Posted: August 06 2013 at 23:51 |
^ I'm hearing a lot of negitive hear...you guys are bumming me out!
Just kidding. I'm glad to hear everyone being honest with how they feel and there are some interesting observations being thrown about LaBrie's voice sounding like 90's LaBrie? I say Yay to that!
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Posted: August 06 2013 at 23:53 |
I didn't say that.
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rogerthat
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Posted: August 07 2013 at 00:03 |
Neither did I. I think we both said the music is like the 90s, not LaBrie's voice.
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Posted: August 07 2013 at 00:13 |
^ yeah sorry I miss read. Too much excitement. I was in a rush.
I gotta say though it's too bad most here are not liking the track, but when On The Backs Of Angels was released a lot of people didnt like that one either and in my opinion it was not one of the better tracks on the album.
Anyway. Sorry for the mis-read.
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Posted: August 07 2013 at 00:21 |
Like mentioned before, it's the first single so it's probably not the proggiest song on the album.
Additionally, his voice is better than the 90's because then he tried overreaching notes and such and when LaBrie hits high notes - i cringe. His voice sounds best like it does here, and the majority on the last album. Unfortunately the 90's reference was to the music. It's dated and typical - but oh well. Haken's new material sounds great :D
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progbethyname
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Posted: August 07 2013 at 00:31 |
^ Haken you say? Man, I'm behind there. I still haven't listened to Visions.
Gotta get on that.
Also, as we know JL gave it everything he got on AWAKE album in 1994 where he damaged his vocal chords severely and what's worse he got food poisoning, so he was puking a lot and that made matters so much worse. I will say still to this day, that the AWAKE album is his best vocal performance. The guy nailed it big time. He still sounds great today. Actually, on ADTOE is the best he has sounded in years! Vocally, systematic Chaos and Black Clouds were not his strongest moments behind a microphone. I don't like it when he tries super-hard to sing heavy. He sounds a little like Dave Mustaine and it drives me nuts. This is a big reason why I'm not a huge fan of his solo works, but I will say Elements Of Persuasion was a decent album. :)
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Posted: August 07 2013 at 00:34 |
I haven't been a fan of Haken in general - but the new stuff sounds promising. Enjoyed the songs.
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Posted: August 07 2013 at 05:46 |
Catcher10 wrote:
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Don't worry too much about it...its nothing special. The drumming is boring, normal Mangini dbl speed pedals, and quick snare parts. Cymbal playing is not on the Portnoy level, which actually adds character. Singing is blah, keys are blah and yes no sign of Myung. At about 5:00 in I am tired of hearing that drumming already...ughhh! I hear nothing new....too much thrashy type metal, no sign of progmetal, symphonic metal. Actually this is different, seems Petrucci wants to sound like a hard edged Nickleback (did I say that!!?) Solely based on this song.....I have zero excitement for Sept 24th. They are still great musicians but the creativity seems to have vanished and the DT sound is gone. I hope the other 65min are better..... (I read this a few times b4 posting as I thought it was too harsh....but I am fine with it).
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Found the video of the song. For the most part I agree with you. Drumming was awful. Riffs were pretty good though. Sounded like 100% uninspired Dream Theater. Even the instrumental passages i was thinking...oh they are doing this again. I'll wait for bargain bin this time.
Edited by Snow Dog - August 07 2013 at 05:46
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Posted: August 07 2013 at 08:36 |
Guys, really, how boring is to read "Oh, they should do this, or that, is too heavy, is too proggy, is too instrumental, is too..." blah, blah, blah... I don't know but there's nothing "typical" in the way Mangini performed this song and in this song is good. Of course, is overcompressed but what I'm reading now is the typical PA members whining about everything.
Wonder why I don't read this kind of things when Porcupine Tree do the same boring thing all the time, but guess that's the problem with great bands. You always expect to over top their achievements.
So far I'm really excited about the song. Talking to friends I have some really nice reviews. Is just PA that I don't get really.
Edited by jampa17 - August 07 2013 at 08:37
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Posted: August 07 2013 at 08:39 |
jampa17 wrote:
Wonder why I don't read this kind of things when Porcupine Tree do the same boring thing all the time,
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Because they haven't actually done anything since 2009. That's a long time, you know.
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Posted: August 07 2013 at 08:41 |
rogerthat wrote:
jampa17 wrote:
Wonder why I don't read this kind of things when Porcupine Tree do the same boring thing all the time,
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Because they haven't actually done anything since 2009. That's a long time, you know. |
Well you see, BC&SL is from the same year and you still read some b*llsh+t about that album even today. So, that's not an excuse really.
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Posted: August 07 2013 at 08:43 |
jampa17 wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
jampa17 wrote:
Wonder why I don't read this kind of things when Porcupine Tree do the same boring thing all the time,
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Because they haven't actually done anything since 2009. That's a long time, you know. |
Well you see, BC&SL is from the same year and you still read some b*llsh+t about that album even today. So, that's not an excuse really.
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Umm, because DT is still an active band. And when there's an upcoming release, people talk about their views of the last couple or so releases of the band. Besides, it's not like DT has handed out money to people to 'like' or favourably comment on their songs. If they don't like it, they don't like it, that's all. It's not an obligation.
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Posted: August 07 2013 at 08:47 |
rogerthat wrote:
jampa17 wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
jampa17 wrote:
Wonder why I don't read this kind of things when Porcupine Tree do the same boring thing all the time,
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Because they haven't actually done anything since 2009. That's a long time, you know. |
Well you see, BC&SL is from the same year and you still read some b*llsh+t about that album even today. So, that's not an excuse really.
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Umm, because DT is still an active band. And when there's an upcoming release, people talk about their views of the last couple or so releases of the band. Besides, it's not like DT has handed out money to people to 'like' or favourably comment on their songs. If they don't like it, they don't like it, that's all. It's not an obligation. |
I'm not talking about obligation of payment for reviews. I've been member of this site for quite time now and what surprise me a lot is how difficult is to have people just enjoying the music. Especially from DT. I'm complaining about your "bashing all the time" to DT, that's my opinion and of course, is not an obligation to agree with me. But PA is not a place were DT fans feel so welcome. And that's just an opinion.
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Posted: August 07 2013 at 08:52 |
Maybe because it's not the DT homepage or fanclub? I cannot talk about all DT fans but if you react so strongly to some dissent, it's not likely you are going to enjoy PA conversations in general. Most people have only said they didn't like the track, not that DT's pathetic or terrible or blah blah. If you call stating a dislike as bashing, fine, whatever works for you.
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Posted: August 07 2013 at 08:56 |
rogerthat wrote:
Maybe because it's not the DT homepage or fanclub? I cannot talk about all DT fans but if you react so strongly to some dissent, it's not likely you are going to enjoy PA conversations in general. Most people have only said they didn't like the track, not that DT's pathetic or terrible or blah blah. If you call stating a dislike as bashing, fine, whatever works for you. |
No, they said "too metal", "Too average" "uninspired", "too loud", "too... Too...Too..." that's what they are saying. As always, it's my opinion and I will sustain it.
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Posted: August 07 2013 at 08:58 |
But this is a Dream Theater "Appreciation" thread, or at least it is in the "Appreciation" section of the forums so the negative Nellies need to take their negativity to a Prog News post or something. I have to agree with Jampa on how amazingly negative many of the posters are on PA regarding DT. I suspect that much of it has to do with the fact that they are actually successful from a prog standpoint, and heaven forbid we allow that to happen. Prog artists are required to be obscure starving artists in order to have any prog credibility.
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Posted: August 07 2013 at 09:06 |
jampa17 wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
Maybe because it's not the DT homepage or fanclub? I cannot talk about all DT fans but if you react so strongly to some dissent, it's not likely you are going to enjoy PA conversations in general. Most people have only said they didn't like the track, not that DT's pathetic or terrible or blah blah. If you call stating a dislike as bashing, fine, whatever works for you. |
No, they said "too metal", "Too average" "uninspired", "too loud", "too... Too...Too..." that's what they are saying.
As always, it's my opinion and I will sustain it.
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All of that was said with respect to one song, not the band. You are free to sustain your opinion (whatever that means) but so are we.
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Posted: August 07 2013 at 09:08 |
rushfan4 wrote:
But this is a Dream Theater "Appreciation" thread, or at least it is in the "Appreciation" section of the forums so the negative Nellies need to take their negativity to a Prog News post or something. I have to agree with Jampa on how amazingly negative many of the posters are on PA regarding DT. I suspect that much of it has to do with the fact that they are actually successful from a prog standpoint, and heaven forbid we allow that to happen. Prog artists are required to be obscure starving artists in order to have any prog credibility.
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Have you actually read the comments on this and the preceding page that he is referring to? I beg to differ but merely expressing likes or dislikes on ONE song doesn't warrant so much reading between the lines. The mix sounds compressed in the promotional clip (though it might sound better in the CD format as and when it is released) and the composition is influenced by the 90s. If that works for some people, fine, but it's silly to insist that everybody who is a DT fan has to like it.
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jampa17
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Posted: August 07 2013 at 09:11 |
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Posted: August 07 2013 at 09:48 |
I really do not read where there is "DT bashing" going on? We are talking about one song and passing critic on ONE song, not the band, not the previous albums. Over compressed song means NOTHING right now, that in noway affects how the song is written, produced, arranged, melody...so on, the digital compression only affects the sound, not the quality of the music. Jampa I don't understand your comment about "proggies that can't stand metal in the mix. But who knows... ". If we are on the DT thread it must be because we all like some or a lot of metal. I love Train of Thought, for me it is one of their best albums, as well as BC&SL, great hard metal stuff on both, proggy yes but metal at the core. The PT reference is not relavent, they have been dormant since 2009...You can call PT country music if you like, it still damn good music, not all of it...but most. You are trying to compare or make reference to two different styles of music with DT and PT, forget about genre labels, the music is different. SW has always pushed the limits of his creative views with PT and his solo work, but its not "always so good and so cool and great." Its one song my friend, there are another 60-70min left to go, my hope is that it is much better! I mean at worst it has to match ADTOE, which is fine.....but they can do BETTER!!!!!
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