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sleeper
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Posted: August 01 2013 at 06:59 |
I've always thought he'd either be a Maia or a spirit that avoided being corrupted into a Balrog or some other monster by Melkor.
Can't be a Valar, there's only 14 of them, all named, and they stay in Valinor as the "Gods in Mount Olympus".
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Jim Garten
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Posted: August 01 2013 at 07:02 |
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I suspect Peter Jackson agrees with you
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Posted: August 01 2013 at 07:09 |
Is "I don't give a sh*t" an option?
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Icarium
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Posted: August 01 2013 at 07:48 |
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CPicard
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Posted: August 01 2013 at 10:18 |
My bet is that Tom Bombaldil is an alien, coming from another world than Arda (maybe Krypton?). That would explain why he doesn't fit in the racial classification of the Middle Earth universe.
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: August 01 2013 at 19:51 |
Bombadil is Tolkien's private joke on his readers. Tolkien actually mentioned in his letters that Old Tom is "the spirit of the (vanishing) Oxford and Berkshire countryside", a physical manifestation of the Oxfordshire Tolkien loved and remembered from his youth. Bombadil was added in because Tolkien thought his spirit was "important" and not necessarily germane to the story as a whole. Tolkien requested the addition of the character to Lord of the Rings in a letter to his publisher dated 16 December 1937.
In addition, Bombadil himself mentions in the book that he is the"eldest", which is literally true. Tom is neither Maia, Vala or Eru himself; in fact, he predates The Lord of the Rings and many elements of the Silmarillion as well, first appearing in a series of poems Tolkien wrote in 1934. Bombadil was originally named in honor of a doll in his children's bedroom.
Finally, the One Ring does not affect Tom because he is not part of the story, but rather an entity unto himself within a self-contained land whose boundaries he alone has set.
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Icarium
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Posted: August 02 2013 at 05:11 |
good answer
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: August 02 2013 at 16:02 |
CPicard wrote:
Something else: J.R.R. Tolkien, creating a Gary Sue character acting as a Deus Ex Machina.
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Huh? He doesn't do anything. That kinda precludes him from being a Deus Ex Machina.
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CPicard
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Posted: August 02 2013 at 16:22 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
CPicard wrote:
Something else: J.R.R. Tolkien, creating a Gary Sue character acting as a Deus Ex Machina.
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Huh? He doesn't do anything. That kinda precludes him from being a Deus Ex Machina.
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Whaaaaat? Hey, he offers the Hobbits some excellent meal. And food is something quite important for the Hobbits. Ergo, Deus Ex Cucina.
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thellama73
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Posted: August 02 2013 at 16:24 |
He does rescue them from a tree and a barrow wight, but those threats were not really necessary to the plot and seemed to only be there to give old Tom an excuse to show up, so not really a Deus Ex Machina.
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Posted: August 02 2013 at 16:32 |
Tom Bombadil was proof that Tolkien was a linguist first and a writer second.
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Posted: August 02 2013 at 16:33 |
Let's call Treebeard "Exhibit B."
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Posted: August 02 2013 at 16:34 |
The Ent language is one of the most interesting things in the book, I think.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: August 02 2013 at 16:47 |
thellama73 wrote:
He does rescue them from a tree and a barrow wight, but those threats were not really necessary to the plot and seemed to only be there to give old Tom an excuse to show up, so not really a Deus Ex Machina.
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Yeah. Neither that or the willow were central conflicts to the story. And even so his means of rescue didn't really involve anything out of the ordinary. You could argue the barrows was important because of the nazgul killing daggers, but still ya know?
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Posted: August 02 2013 at 17:17 |
thellama73 wrote:
The Ent language is one of the most interesting things in the book, I think.
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Or a philosophy course. Isn't that right, Ayn Rand?
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Posted: August 02 2013 at 17:23 |
Epignosis wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
The Ent language is one of the most interesting things in the book, I think.
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That's fine, but when you're knee deep in orc blood, you don't want 30 pages of a linguistics lesson.
Or a philosophy course. Isn't that right, Ayn Rand?
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I do! It's why I love Victor Hugo's lengthy digressions on the Paris sewers or the history of the octopus.
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Posted: August 02 2013 at 18:14 |
A variety of pickle.
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Posted: August 02 2013 at 22:13 |
thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
The Ent language is one of the most interesting things in the book, I think.
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That's fine, but when you're knee deep in orc blood, you don't want 30 pages of a linguistics lesson.
Or a philosophy course. Isn't that right, Ayn Rand?
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I do! It's why I love Victor Hugo's lengthy digressions on the Paris sewers or the history of the octopus.
| Explains why you like Moby Dick then.
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thellama73
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Posted: August 02 2013 at 22:27 |
thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
The Ent language is one of the most interesting things in the book, I think.
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That's fine, but when you're knee deep in orc blood, you don't want 30 pages of a linguistics lesson.
Or a philosophy course. Isn't that right, Ayn Rand?
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I do! It's why I love Victor Hugo's lengthy digressions on the Paris sewers or the history of the octopus.
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Explains why you like Moby Dick then. 
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Indeed. I'm of the opinion that plot is only one feature of many that are important for great literature.
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