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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2013 at 21:23
Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes Ambient Hurricanes wrote:

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You're going to minor in all of those? Shocked

What do you see similar between Scripture and the Tao Te Ching?
Well I'm not a 100% Percent sure about minoring in Medievel/ Early Modern Society but I might do it.
 
In Scripture there was a verse where Jesus compared the Holy Spirit to Water or a River.
In the Tao Te Ching there's a verse where the Tao is compared to River Valleys and follows of water.
 
In Scripture if I'm correct The Holy Spirit created the Universe.
In the Tao Te Ching the Tao created the Universe.
 
 
 


I believe that all three persons of the Trinity were involved in creation, although the Father is usually identified as the creator, the Son (John 1) and the Holy Spirit (Genesis 1, like you mentioned) also were involved.

Eastern philosophies are definitely very interesting, although I probably have a different view of them than you do I think they can be helpful in understanding Scripture because they challenge our Western way of thinking; and Christianity, after all, originated in the Near East.

I agree.  Nothing has helped my faith more than to study other religions.  There are shreds of truth everywhere, even shreds that modern Christians may have lost somewhere along the way.  Most other religions also have the utmost respect for Jesus Christ, so that's saying something.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2013 at 21:03
Just a Question, Are there still Neo-Scholastics and Neo-Thomists? I'm just curious.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2013 at 19:17
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Ruach has a rather more complex and specific meaning than imply "breath" though.


"More complex and specific" are not co-descriptors of the Hebrew language.  LOL


I suppose I meant that it can have a variety of meanings (and so is a complex word), each of which is more specific than a broad term like "spirit" or "breath."


What does spirit mean though?  I think biblical literature took on a life of its own when Westerners got a hold of it.


In Qabalah, ruach is the rational center of the soul and the seat of morality. It's not spirit, but a specific part of the spirit contrasted with others.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2013 at 18:45
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

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Ruach has a rather more complex and specific meaning than imply "breath" though.


"More complex and specific" are not co-descriptors of the Hebrew language.  LOL


I suppose I meant that it can have a variety of meanings (and so is a complex word), each of which is more specific than a broad term like "spirit" or "breath."


What does spirit mean though?  I think biblical literature took on a life of its own when Westerners got a hold of it.


In Qabalah, ruach is the rational center of the soul and the seat of morality. It's not spirit, but a specific part of the spirit contrasted with others.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2013 at 18:43
Originally posted by Jonathan Jonathan wrote:

Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes Ambient Hurricanes wrote:

You're going to minor in all of those? Shocked

What do you see similar between Scripture and the Tao Te Ching?
Well I'm not a 100% Percent sure about minoring in Medievel/ Early Modern Society but I might do it.
 
In Scripture there was a verse where Jesus compared the Holy Spirit to Water or a River.
In the Tao Te Ching there's a verse where the Tao is compared to River Valleys and follows of water.
 
In Scripture if I'm correct The Holy Spirit created the Universe.
In the Tao Te Ching the Tao created the Universe.
 
 
 


I believe that all three persons of the Trinity were involved in creation, although the Father is usually identified as the creator, the Son (John 1) and the Holy Spirit (Genesis 1, like you mentioned) also were involved.

Eastern philosophies are definitely very interesting, although I probably have a different view of them than you do I think they can be helpful in understanding Scripture because they challenge our Western way of thinking; and Christianity, after all, originated in the Near East.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2013 at 18:41
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Ruach has a rather more complex and specific meaning than imply "breath" though.


"More complex and specific" are not co-descriptors of the Hebrew language.  LOL


I suppose I meant that it can have a variety of meanings (and so is a complex word), each of which is more specific than a broad term like "spirit" or "breath."


What does spirit mean though?  I think biblical literature took on a life of its own when Westerners got a hold of it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2013 at 18:41
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To be fair, There is the Verse in Chapter 32 of The Guodian Tao Te Ching that compares the Tao to Water.
 
"The Dao's presence in the world,
Is like the relationship of small valley streams to rivers and seas. "




In Biblical literature, the breath controls the water.  The breath isn't the water. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2013 at 18:17
To be fair, There is the Verse in Chapter 32 of The Guodian Tao Te Ching that compares the Tao to Water.
 
"The Dao's presence in the world,
Is like the relationship of small valley streams to rivers and seas. "


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2013 at 18:05
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Ruach has a rather more complex and specific meaning than imply "breath" though.


"More complex and specific" are not co-descriptors of the Hebrew language.  LOL


I suppose I meant that it can have a variety of meanings (and so is a complex word), each of which is more specific than a broad term like "spirit" or "breath."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2013 at 18:00
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Ruach has a rather more complex and specific meaning than imply "breath" though.


"More complex and specific" are not co-descriptors of the Hebrew language.  LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2013 at 17:48
Ruach has a rather more complex and specific meaning than imply "breath" though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2013 at 17:43
Originally posted by Jonathan Jonathan wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Jonathan Jonathan wrote:

In Scripture there was a verse where Jesus compared the Holy Spirit to Water or a River.
In the Tao Te Ching there's a verse where the Tao is compared to River Valleys and follows of water.
 
In Scripture if I'm correct The Holy Spirit created the Universe.
In the Tao Te Ching the Tao created the Universe.
 


Can you please tell me in the Bible what these verses are?
John 7:38-39
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall follow rivers of living water.
(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive...
 
Isaiah 44: 3
For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thin offering
 
Jeremiah 2:13
For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.
 
Genesis 1:2-3
...And the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: And there was light.
 
Psalm 33:6
By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.


The word for "breath" is the same word translated "spirit."

Ruach - Hebrew

Pneuma - Greek

In fact, I wish we could eliminate the word "spirit" from the Bible.  We should translate all of these instances, "breath."

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2013 at 16:42
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Jonathan Jonathan wrote:

In Scripture there was a verse where Jesus compared the Holy Spirit to Water or a River.
In the Tao Te Ching there's a verse where the Tao is compared to River Valleys and follows of water.
 
In Scripture if I'm correct The Holy Spirit created the Universe.
In the Tao Te Ching the Tao created the Universe.
 


Can you please tell me in the Bible what these verses are?
John 7:38-39
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall follow rivers of living water.
(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive...
 
Isaiah 44: 3
For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thin offering
 
Jeremiah 2:13
For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.
 
Genesis 1:2-3
...And the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: And there was light.
 
Psalm 33:6
By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2013 at 16:09
Originally posted by Jonathan Jonathan wrote:

In Scripture there was a verse where Jesus compared the Holy Spirit to Water or a River.
In the Tao Te Ching there's a verse where the Tao is compared to River Valleys and follows of water.
 
In Scripture if I'm correct The Holy Spirit created the Universe.
In the Tao Te Ching the Tao created the Universe.
 


Can you please tell me in the Bible what these verses are?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2013 at 15:44
Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes Ambient Hurricanes wrote:

You're going to minor in all of those? Shocked

What do you see similar between Scripture and the Tao Te Ching?
Well I'm not a 100% Percent sure about minoring in Medievel/ Early Modern Society but I might do it.
 
In Scripture there was a verse where Jesus compared the Holy Spirit to Water or a River.
In the Tao Te Ching there's a verse where the Tao is compared to River Valleys and follows of water.
 
In Scripture if I'm correct The Holy Spirit created the Universe.
In the Tao Te Ching the Tao created the Universe.
 
 
 


Edited by Jonathan - August 02 2013 at 15:53
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HOW ENLIGHTENED ARE YOU?

IF....

If you can live without caffeine,

If you can be cheerful, ignoring aches and pains,

If you can resist complaining,

If you can understand when your loved ones are too busy to give you any time,

If you can take criticism and blame without resentment,

If you can ignore a friend's limited education and never correct him or her,

If you can resist treating a rich friend better than a poor friend,

If you can face the world without lies and deceit,

If you can conquer tension without medical help,

If you can relax without liquor,

If you can sleep without the aid of drugs,

If you can honestly say that deep in your heart you have no prejudice against creed, color, religion, gender preference, or politics,

--Then you have almost reached the same level of spiritual development as your dog!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2013 at 14:52
Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes Ambient Hurricanes wrote:

You're going to minor in all of those? Shocked

What do you see similar between Scripture and the Tao Te Ching?

You'd be surprised at how many similarities there are between Christianity and other religions once you take down the barriers of exclusivism and exceptionalism we are so often brought up with.  Really, when you think about it, the idea that there is one all powerful God who is "all in all" (look that one up with a concordance sometime), but there's only one religion that's right and every other one is of the devil (who is not all powerful and yet seems to be winning the war) doesn't make much sense.  Neither does the "God is love...but he's going to send 2/3's of the world's population to eternal conscious torment" idea.  Mind you, these are the ideas I grew up with my whole life, so I'm well versed with the reasons people support these ideas.  But once you really start to read your Bible and think about these things, you realize how much of the Bible just goes against these ideas.  A few books you might want to check out if you're interested in inter-religious dialogue:
Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, and Lau Tzu: The Parallel Sayings

Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road?

Living Buddha, Living Christ

And I'm just scratching the surface.  I'm planning to read some Thomas Merton next.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2013 at 14:08
The Bible teaches karma, right?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2013 at 14:03
You're going to minor in all of those? Shocked

What do you see similar between Scripture and the Tao Te Ching?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2013 at 13:31
I'm actually considering going to a Quaker College in Greensboro, North Carolina called Guilford College in January.
 
I might Major in History and Religious Studies and also I might minor in Quaker Studies, East Asian Studies, Medieval/Early Modern Studies, and Japanese Language and Society.
The first two Religious Courses I plan on taking will be a New Testament Course and a Course on the Quran.
 
I'm also becoming very interested in Philosophical Taoism at the moment especially theGuodian Version of The Tao Te Ching.
Has a lot of similaries to the Bible in it.
 
 
 


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