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Joined: March 29 2013
Location: WA
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Posted: July 19 2013 at 13:11
Gerinski wrote:
And for the musicians themselves, maintaining a Mellotron in smooth working order required more dedication that a sick pet puppy, often a dedicated guy for the big bands which could afford it.
When King Crimson played San Francisco in '74 they had to limp through with only one of the two trons working. An aside...a friend was at the show and also on the bill was 10 Years After. While Crimso was on this girl behind him kept asking her boyfriend, "Is that Alvin Lee?"
Anyway, remember how often your cassette or 8 track tape would get stuck in the rollers and spit out in a creased and folded mess? Multiply that by 35 more tapes and you have the nightmare that was the Mellotron...'course when it worked it was as if angels had descended to earth
And for the musicians themselves, maintaining a Mellotron in smooth working order required more dedication that a sick pet puppy, often a dedicated guy for the big bands which could afford it.
When King Crimson played San Francisco in '74 they had to limp through with only one of the two trons working. <span style="line-height: 1.2;">An aside...a friend was at the show and also on the bill was 10 Years After. While Crimso was on this girl behind him kept asking her boyfriend, "Is that Alvin Lee?" </span>
Anyway, remember how often your cassette or 8 track tape would get stuck in the rollers and spit out in a creased and folded mess? Multiply that by 35 more tapes and you have the nightmare that was the Mellotron...'course when it worked it was as if angels had descended to earth
I imagine it would be pretty hard to fix a busted tron. I wouldn't know where to begin.
Joined: March 23 2013
Location: Minnesota
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Posted: July 19 2013 at 23:07
Remember when the batteries died? And they had some extra ones in the boat? But they were dead too? And the professor said "Sometimes batteries die even if you never used them?" So he made a battery out of a potato, I think?
Joined: March 29 2013
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Posted: July 19 2013 at 23:27
progbethyname wrote:
The.Crimson.King wrote:
Gerinski wrote:
And for the musicians themselves, maintaining a Mellotron in smooth working order required more dedication that a sick pet puppy, often a dedicated guy for the big bands which could afford it.
When King Crimson played San Francisco in '74 they had to limp through with only one of the two trons working. <span style="line-height: 1.2;">An aside...a friend was at the show and also on the bill was 10 Years After. While Crimso was on this girl behind him kept asking her boyfriend, "Is that Alvin Lee?" </span>
Anyway, remember how often your cassette or 8 track tape would get stuck in the rollers and spit out in a creased and folded mess? Multiply that by 35 more tapes and you have the nightmare that was the Mellotron...'course when it worked it was as if angels had descended to earth
I imagine it would be pretty hard to fix a busted tron. I wouldn't know where to begin.
I have a great book called "The Mellotron Book" that covers the entire history and details of how they work (or don't work as the case may be ) and how to repair them. I'm pretty sure it's now out of print, but I'd be surprised if the info isn't available on the net somewhere. Basically, the way to fix a busted tron is tear it apart and rebuild from the ground up. Here's a fun video on the restoration of a seriously abused early 70's M400 mellotron...warning: this is not for the feint of heart
Joined: September 20 2010
Location: Serbia
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Posted: July 20 2013 at 00:01
In Tito's Yugoslavia it wasn't expensive to buy LPs which were pressed here under the licence; a lot of 70s rock albums were issued in Yugosalvia under licence, so progressive rock albums too ( of course, it was available to order LPs directly from GB). Also, so many times the records shops in Yugoslavia sold out LPs at half price that I bought at very low prices such masterpieces as Genesis Live, Yes' Tales, RTF's Where Have I Know You From Before,Wigwam's Nuclear Nightclub, Dead's From The Mars Hotel, Steve Hillage's L and so on.
Also, an equipment made in Yugoslavia: turntable Tosca (RIZ Zagreb) was low price but good quality and with Ei Niš reciever and speakers, you get a nice sound.
It was my first equipment, when I was 13 yrs old. One of the reasons why I Tito's self-managment socialism
Joined: February 23 2008
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Posted: July 20 2013 at 08:12
Well , i don't really Know about the other Guys !! but i'm only giving my Opinion about this //
things were too difficult back then , and Albums were highly appreciated upon release , specially if we knew the Band . what was Unique in that Era was , we've had our Time to Discover the Beauty of those Albums , i mean a song at a time , we never knew that the Floyds , the Crimsons , VDGG , Jethro Tull will still active till now-a-days !! Anyway , things were properly done , with Peace of Mind , the Competition was only heading to the Best . I Believe none of our Fathers knew about Progressive to recommend anything for Us , we've done it the Hard Ways !! all the Eldest on this Site knows what i mean ! and , Definitely we have now the Best Source and Reliable Archive in the World concerning Progressive Rock Music from all categories , kinds and Styles , and , i believe it was done because of you Guys , our new Generation , that we depend a lot on your activities for the next decades ! I Salute you all from Lebanon , and , i believe , one way or another , we did our share in this //
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Posted: July 20 2013 at 14:14
Dean wrote:
tamijo wrote:
Not to mention that the price of an album was very high campared to the wages of especialy younger people.
Making a collection of just 100 albums, was almost impossible for young people, most of had 30-50 albums to chose between.
The price was almost the same as today, but the wages was very low.
Absolutely. The price of music has remained pretty much constant since the late 80s. I remember not buying Tales From Topographic Oceans when it was released simply because I could not afford it. Wages were such that if I behaved myself and was very careful with my budget I could just about manage to buy an album every two weeks. Of course that makes the 300+ albums I did buy between 1971 and 1980 all the more special.
Let's see ... at Moby Disk, anything I bought would be between $15 and $20 bux each ... so the new Klaus Schulze, or Peter hammill, or Banco ... you already know it was going to cost a few doodles. Heck, I was working as a cook only making $6.50 an hour in 1975 and got a raise to $7 for 1976 ... so do the math! It DID make it easier when my roomate did bring home a few records from the station, but almost all the "imports" were picked up in Los Angeles in various spots ... and the prices were not cheap then!
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Joined: February 03 2007
Location: The Heartland
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Posted: July 20 2013 at 15:03
Federal min wage is something like that but many States have higher min wages I believe. Some cities I think even have their own, like San Fran's is over $10 an hour.
Joined: February 10 2010
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Posted: July 20 2013 at 15:19
Dean wrote:
On the upside, albums weren't $15-$20 each (even on import) so any comparison is meaningless.
In my native Spain in the 70's LPs were in the range of 4 ~ 7 euro, something like 5 ~ 9 US$ (of course euro didn't exist yet). Imports maybe 25% more expensive.
Well , i don't really Know about the other Guys !! but i'm only giving my Opinion about this //
things were too difficult back then , and Albums were highly appreciated upon release , specially if we knew the Band . what was Unique in that Era was , we've had our Time to Discover the Beauty of those Albums , i mean a song at a time , we never knew that the Floyds , the Crimsons , VDGG , Jethro Tull will still active till now-a-days !! Anyway , things were properly done , with Peace of Mind , the Competition was only heading to the Best . I Believe none of our Fathers knew about Progressive to recommend anything for Us , we've done it the Hard Ways !! all the Eldest on this Site knows what i mean ! and , Definitely we have now the Best Source and Reliable Archive in the World concerning Progressive Rock Music from all categories , kinds and Styles , and , i believe it was done because of you Guys , our new Generation , that we depend a lot on your activities for the next decades ! I Salute you all from Lebanon , and , i believe , one way or another , we did our share in this //
Federal min wage is something like that but many States have higher min wages I believe. Some cities I think even have their own, like San Fran's is over $10 an hour.My first job paid me 3.10 an hour as I recall.
Joined: May 13 2007
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Posted: July 20 2013 at 19:44
What the various minumum wages are now isn't really the point I was making... to me $7.00/hr seemed like quite a lot of money for 1976 considering that is it roughly what the minimum wage is now and I was trying to get a perspective on that... I'm going to take a guess and say the average US wage in 1976 was probably not much over $9,000, which would be about $4.30/hr... for a teen/young adult it would be considerably less
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