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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2013 at 09:57
^ I think I get the gist of this i.e. the source of certitude has changed since the internet: the arbiter in any contemporary argument is that of something quoted from the internet. In other words, choose yer filter carefully because we're both talking bollocks.Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2013 at 10:14
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

^ I think I get the gist of this i.e. the source of certitude has changed since the internet: the arbiter in any contemporary argument is that of something quoted from the internet. In other words, choose yer filter carefully because we're both talking bollocks.Wink
It's was so mysterious and exciting for 2 young teenagers in the early 70's to discover a prog band by walking into a record shop. It was a hands on experience. The interest was mainly the music and not the catagorization. The mystery could not unfold by turning on a computer and researching the band. I hate this state of feeling sorry for myself, but there is a death to the original exciting interest because it has been replaced with internet. It's self pity to long for that to return. It's so strange how American kids would be 10 times more mystified by stumbling on to a European band then...where today the information is reached by turning on a machine. There are great/fine points to the progress of the net...yet the mystery has vanished and I miss that more than anything in life. I always thrive to discover a Prog band where upon a lack of information is available on the net....just to feel that mystery once again. Am I off balance with this concept or do other's feel this way? Time for meds maybe?Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2013 at 11:01
On Y.T. guitar instructors are video taped and produce instructions on how to play a Progressive piece. You might have a page which lists 6 or 7 instructors attempting to guide you through a Steve Howe piece. I was Classically trained as a teenager and from experience ..there is usually several ways of playing a piece that produce the same voicing used by the original player/composer. The practical method is to pick and choose the best version to feel comfortable with drawn from 1 or 2 pages of instructional vids on Y.T.  There is always that one note or chord which is not fitting to the ear. I can imagine Godley + Creme , Stevie Wonder, or master Jon Anderson saying....uh...no..that is not quite right. The note is not fitting or the chord voicing does not sound correct behind the melody line.
Tabs are sometimes overall...incorrect. Some instructors take the easy way out and string the student along to ride the money train. Originally if the piece is taught correctly, the student will spend less time in learning the difficult passages than being taught the incorrect way...which means more struggle in the future due to originally learning the easy method. It's a pure struggle and I feel for young musicians who take themselves seriously, have little experience, lack in funds, and are being faced with con-artist instructors who hide the secrets of guitar playing from them. If kids want to play like Steve Vai, Frank Zappa, or Hackett/Howe, I prepare them with all the methods to reach their goals. Other instructors find me to be a threat to the business. I hate for young musicians with ambition to be told lies and waste their life on someone else's selfishness. Many of them have the potential to grow and expand quickly , but are surprisingly drawn into a game they shouldn't be wasting their life playing. I believe in honesty.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2013 at 11:24

Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

^ I think I get the gist of this i.e. the source of certitude has changed since the internet: the arbiter in any contemporary argument is that of something quoted from the internet. In other words, choose yer filter carefully because we're both talking bollocks.Wink

It's was so mysterious and exciting for 2 young teenagers in the early 70's to discover a prog band by walking into a record shop. It was a hands on experience. The interest was mainly the music and not the catagorization. The mystery could not unfold by turning on a computer and researching the band. I hate this state of feeling sorry for myself, but there is a death to the original exciting interest because it has been replaced with internet. It's self pity to long for that to return. It's so strange how American kids would be 10 times more mystified by stumbling on to a European band then...where today the information is reached by turning on a machine. There are great/fine points to the progress of the net...yet the mystery has vanished and I miss that more than anything in life. I always thrive to discover a Prog band where upon a lack of information is available on the net....just to feel that mystery once again. Am I off balance with this concept or do other's feel this way? Time for meds maybe?Wink

The internet has opened up the world in ways we couldn't even have imagined back in the 70s.
 
In 1972 I went looking for an album that was released a mere three years earlier, I had the band's debut release from 1967 but being a cash-strapped teen no one had bought their followup album for me and pocket money didn't stretch that far - but in 1972 I had a Saturday job that paid money and I could buy albums when I wanted and didn't have to wait for record tokens at birthdays and christmas. Alas by then the album had been discontinued and, since it was not a big seller on its release, most of the unsold copies had probably been returned to the factory to be melted down and used for the next Donny Osmand or Brotherhood of Man album. By 1972 it was known as a rarity and a collectors item - I didn't need a internet to tell me of it's existence, nor of the existnece of the band, I knew they had split up and were no longer recording, interest in the band had died away with no likelihood of there ever being a revival or reissue, my only recourse was secondhand record stores and the small adds in the back of the NME and Melody Maker. Over the next twenty or so years my search continued - I found it once at a record collector's fayre with a price ticket of £200 and walked away empty handed, frustrated and disolutioned. I didn't covert it for its monetary value and collectorbility - I just wanted to hear it, I loved their first album so much I needed to hear their second, but £200 was a lot of money (two week salary if I recall correctly) and all I was going to do with it was take it home, put it on the turntable and actually listen to it, not hermetically seal it in shrink-wrap and store it in a wall-safe as some family heirloom to sit and acrue value... and there was always that nagging doubt hanging over the album - records and bands are obscure for a reason... (and this reason was self-evident) ... because they didn't sell enough albums, perhaps it wasn't as good as the collector hype.
 
 
By the mid 90s everything had changed - there was a boom in reissues as smaller record companies could buy back-catalogues of lesser known bands from the bigger boys and release long forgotten albums on CD - they didn't have to worry about selling 10s of thousands of copies to recoup production and promotion costs, their business plans were smaller-scale - they could sell a few thousand over the Internet and make still a profit, especially now the baby boomers who bought those albums in the 60s and 70s where now fast approaching their midlife crisis and would be ripe pickings in the nostalgic reclaiming of their youth frenzy. And the Internet, for all its faults and errors, was (and still is) a marvelous playground and adventure park to discover that nostalgic youth-hood once lost - sure we have to slap down some of the young'uns who get above themselves, but then so do many of the old'uns, in an environment where no single "power" controls the information we become the editors who discriminate the plausible-facts from the barefaced invention and half-remembered anecdotes.
 
 
And one of the first things I ever did when I got "online" back in 1993 was to search for this album and this band, and precious little there was to be found, but it got better. It took a few years for the ex-singer to put a website together , and it took a rising light of the Dutch metal scene to re-discover him, and it took a while for the band's back cataglogue to be issued on CD, but eventually it was. And none of that would have happened without the Internet.
 
 
So for the past 15 years I have owned a CD copy of the album I so desperately searched for in the preceeding 20-something years, and yeah, it's not so great and there was a reason it didn't sell so well, but I have it now and can listen to it whenever I like.
 


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I am really, really, really tired of being let down. I just had the best day in the world yesterday, with a wonderful person that I really could see myself being in a relationship with for awhile, but she cut it off. She's moving to Ohio in 2 weeks for a master's program and doesn't "do long distance". I understand, but it's horrible. I haven't felt this bad in 2 years since my last breakup. At least that one has a couple months head start before my feelings were crushed. Does it ever get easier? Is this mid-20s bullsh*t over at some point? I just want to find someone I can actually feel something with. i don't really give a sh*t about having sex anymore. It's fun to get that release occasionally, but what's the cost? Having the person leave your life just as soon as they entered it? I'm callous but I'm not callous enough to deal with that for a lifetime. And just recently my roommate says he's on a break with his girlfriend because of different life paths. They've been together for 3 years. He was going to propose this fall. What the hell? Just when you think one simple thing is a sure thing in life, it falls apart. How does anyone stay together? How does anyone even manage to make anything work anymore? I understand one night stands. It's simple and easy. I don't understand long term relationships because it seems impossible to get one. Everyone puts up barriers to keep themselves safe, and I can never find anyone willing to take them down for me. It is excruciating.

"All in all it was all just bricks in the wall...."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2013 at 02:47
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

I am really, really, really tired of being let down. I just had the best day in the world yesterday, with a wonderful person that I really could see myself being in a relationship with for awhile, but she cut it off. She's moving to Ohio in 2 weeks for a master's program and doesn't "do long distance". I understand, but it's horrible. I haven't felt this bad in 2 years since my last breakup. At least that one has a couple months head start before my feelings were crushed. Does it ever get easier? Is this mid-20s bullsh*t over at some point? I just want to find someone I can actually feel something with. i don't really give a sh*t about having sex anymore. It's fun to get that release occasionally, but what's the cost? Having the person leave your life just as soon as they entered it? I'm callous but I'm not callous enough to deal with that for a lifetime. And just recently my roommate says he's on a break with his girlfriend because of different life paths. They've been together for 3 years. He was going to propose this fall. What the hell? Just when you think one simple thing is a sure thing in life, it falls apart. How does anyone stay together? How does anyone even manage to make anything work anymore? I understand one night stands. It's simple and easy. I don't understand long term relationships because it seems impossible to get one. Everyone puts up barriers to keep themselves safe, and I can never find anyone willing to take them down for me. It is excruciating.

"All in all it was all just bricks in the wall...."


We're fed the lie that successful long term relationships are the norm. It seems abundantly clear that like all phenomena we agree have value, they should be considered the exception and obey the law of scarcity accordingly. I'm not suggesting that people shouldn't have to work at their relationships, but I know loads of couples who stay together just to avoid the damaging effect on their kids, the stigma of 'failing' or the effort involved in starting over with somebody else. (2/several unhappy people is better than the possibility of 1 happy person? go figureConfused)
Everyone is striving to achieve something that we fool ourselves into believing is plentiful, natural, effortless and routinely normal. Until such time as we as a society face up to the fact that monogamous stability is such a fragile and unique outcome, the lawyers, media, churches, therapists and reality TV shows will continue to reap their misery dividend.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2013 at 11:22
I do know from years of experience , (and most people do), that a good relationship sometimes causes grief in your life. It may begin after a few years of marriage and develop into mental torture after, during, or prior to the so called 7 year itch. You took on the responsibility of another person's life. You took a vow and made a promise. All those beautiful childlike romantic pleasures are now replaced with responsibility, hard work, determination, and you must now take on the role of a different kind of guardian angel. One that can take abuse from your spouse when they perhaps have a mental meltdown. If this persists endlessly ....the joy of love and happiness becomes interspursed between it and if you are not an actor, depression will catch up with you and the company of another woman, (and only just for conversation), may be a personal desire for you to escape. You may be surprised when your spouse changes their attitude and expresses love and passion once again. Your spouse may return from the store with a hat you spoke of only once over a week ago and you realize that she cares enough to remember. All that mysterious romantic energy you sometimes view in a Clare Danes movie doesn't last very long once you're bought and sold into a so called lifetime relationship. All that original , unexplainable, beautiful + mysterious love and attraction ...years later becomes the Rosanne T.V. show. In that sense , the truth in reality is sometimes painful. It's like as if the world or reality check lied to me. Placing a piece of chewing gum in your mouth and tasting all that flavor. Then later ..the gum will lose it's flavor.becoming a bit of mulch. When that happens, it's nature's way of saying F-YOULOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2013 at 20:23
When you're a victim of cult abuse, people treat you as if you're selling something. It's because you, the victim, are out of line by exposing monsters to the public. Like as if some "white bearded man" is in the sky pushing the panic button. "You should not speak" , "you should not tell such lies", "you lie because if you were a real victim, you wouldn't be talking about it." and skeptics seem to go only by the holy word of the press. My personal friends who are journalists have educated me to the cons and practices of sensationalized crime story articles. It is a fact that in the real world some obvious evidence revolving around  crimes are not facts and in many cases are a cover up for the real facts. Usually the basic facts of a murder surface and everything else to justify the crime is written off in history as nothing more than human assumption.The real mystery lead is based on circumstantial evidence. Everyone working on the case must have a mutal understanding and finalize what to release to the press.
 
Regarding my friends who suffered S.R.A.  and other cults that inflicted bizzare torture tactics upon them, witnessed death of their friends through Satan cult rituals.....their testimonies are warnings to people who have not the awareness and are not willing to see the signs of these sadistic nut cases. It's never explained with this kind of emotion unless...you, yourself,... were attacked, abducted, by a cult. It shouldn't be discussed because to be honest, many people find it to be farce. So...from that point of view, think about this: You and your friends were abused, a couple of deaths in the witch family through rituals, you were drugged and thrown into a pit of dead snakes, etc...and now the world is laughing at you ..while many cult leaders, sadistic members, walk away from murder, torture, whatever?..and are still living in the community and will never be convicted because they were careful to not leave marks and there is no physical evidence to bring into a court of law. So...people are laughing at us, the victims, for telling B.S. stories, ...while these sadistic maniacs are living in society and probably still performing the same acts as they did when I was a kid. I mean?  Don't you find that within itself farce? ridiculous? impossible?  Let's say for a moment that you believe my story....and discussed it with me at a campfire. Would you consider the series of unjust events to be laughable in a sick way? Because....I do and I also find the outcome of these crimes to be pathetic.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2013 at 08:22
I've got a rant.

I don't use Facebook, Twitter, et. al. and I do not plan to start.

But I am tired of showing my wife something or telling her a piece of news about my family and her saying, "Oh yeah, already saw it on Facebook."  Maybe I'm just getting old and feeling nostalgic for old-fashioned conversation. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2013 at 01:24
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

I've got a rant.

I don't use Facebook, Twitter, et. al. and I do not plan to start.

But I am tired of showing my wife something or telling her a piece of news about my family and her saying, "Oh yeah, already saw it on Facebook."  Maybe I'm just getting old and feeling nostalgic for old-fashioned conversation. 

Ya, Facebook is a weird thing...people get sucked into it and it becomes an addiction.

A few months ago I did an internet search looking for old friends I hadn't seen in years.  I found 5 of them now had facebook accounts...so I made a facebook account too so I could ping them.  I got 2 responses.  I traded a few emails with one and it only confirmed why I stopped being her friend in the first place Wink  The other worked out, we rekindled our old friendship and discovered we only live a couple hours away from each other and we're going to hang out on labor day weekend.

Then I promptly cancelled my facebook account and plan to never return LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2013 at 11:46

Social Network Emotional Blackmail

...this kind of crap seriously pisses me off. The ideas, thoughts or the sentiments behind these messages may be noble, good and right, I may even agree with them to some extent, then I get to that last bit... the emotional blackmailing, the implied "if you don't share this message then you're not a nice person", and the whole message becomes tainted in insincerity. Is it now just a statement of the original writer's self-righteous smugness.... or is it something more sinister?
 
What we have here is a chain-letter plain and simple, no different from the "good-luck" snail-mail chain-letters of old or the urban-legend/internet-hoax posts that also frequent the social network sites. The original writer's intent in this example is not to show support for soldiers (dead or alive) but to manipulate people, to presure them into doing some trivial action such as sharing the message. While there is no actual harm in these kinds of chain-letters (aside from perhaps an implied but ultimately hollow threat) what they are is a form of social media bullying by another name. Often the content of these messages is irrelevant, other than to prick at your conscious or perhaps your fears, but some are designed to unnerve and provoke fear, such as the "killer in the backseat" hoax that a friend of mine innocently shared on her timeline a few months back.
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2013 at 02:27
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Social Network Emotional Blackmail





Thank you Dean.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2013 at 07:23

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

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Apologies to those who have seen this countless times already, but this was an email that circulated over 10 years ago, before Facebook. I haven't seen it since then, so I was thinking maybe a lot of people haven't seen it. Excellent parody!

Billy Evans, the Boy who Needs a Body Transplant  

My name is Billy Evans. I AM A very sick little boy.  My mother is typing this for me, because I can't. She Is crying. The reason she is so sad is because I'm so Sick. I was Born without A body. It doesn't hurt, Except when I try to breathe.  The doctors gave me an artificial body. It is A burlap Bag filled with leaves. The doctors said that was the Best they could do ON account of us having No money OR Insurance.  I would like to have A body transplant, but we need More money. Mommy doesn't work because she said nobody Hires crying people. I said, " Don't cry, Mommy and " and She hugged my burlap bag. Mommy always gives me hugs, Even though she's allergic to burlap and it makes her Sneeze and chafes her real bad.  I hope you will help me. You can help me if you Forward this email to everyone you know. Forward it to People you don't know, the too. Dr. Johansen said that for Every person you forward this email to, Bill Gates Will team up with AOL and send A nickel to NASA. With That funding, NASA will collect prayers from school Children all over America and have the astronauts take Them up into space so that the angels can hear them Better.  Then they will come back to earth and go to the Pope, And he will take up A collection IN church and send All the money to the doctors. The doctors could help Me get better then. Maybe one day I will be able to Play baseball. Right now I can only be third base.  Every time you forward this letter, the astronauts can Take more prayers to the angels and my dream will be Closer to coming true. Please help me. Mommy is so Sad and and I want A body. I don't want my leaves to rot Before I turn 10  If you don't forward this email, that's okay. Mommy Says you're A mean and heartless b*****d who doesn't Care about A poor little boy with only A head. She Says that if you don't stew IN the raw pit of your own Guilt-ridden stomach, she hopes you die A long slow, Horrible death and then burn forever IN hell.  What kind of cruel person are you that you can't take Five freakin' minutes to forward this to all your Friends so that they can feel guilt and shame about Ignoring A poor, bodiless nine-year-old boy? Please Help me.  I try to be happy, but it's hard. I wish I had A Kitty. I wish I could hold A kitty. I wish I could Hold A kitty that wouldn't chew ON me and try to bury Its turds IN the leaves of my burlap body. I wish that Very much.  

Thank You, 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2013 at 08:33
I don't think the 'Bill Evans' parody is funny.......it's as obnoxious as those who posted the social network begging requests.
But then everybody's sense of 'humor' is different.
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nah nah, it's all internal fear and etc which pisses me off more! Since it could be so easy to just stop this all, but I just can't/won't
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2014 at 14:13
AAARRRRGGHHHAngry 
aaaaaaaand for the second time I manage to erase every mail in my inbox while trying to delete a few in order to make more room... I am utterly worthless on the computer or maybe I don't read too wellDead
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2014 at 14:18
^^ David, if you were a little less popular, then no-one would PM you.

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