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Points: 1199 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2013 at 00:39
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

First of all, this dude, Rob Sheffield, is a contributing editor to Rolling Stone, a magazine widely known for knowing absolutely squat about prog - let alone any real experimental music. Ohh dang I forgot about Trout Mask Replica which they obviously heralded as one of the greatest albums of the 20th century................sound confusing yet?

They are getting slightly better. They conducted some reader polls that were connected to prog recently, and when Rush was inducted into the hall of fame, their coverage was surprisingly positive (Jann Wenner can hardly allow one of his institutions to criticize the other, can he?). The problem, of course, is that none of their writers listen to prog, so they pretty much ignore it in their lists. Even Pitchfork are better than that (I remember their "best albums of the 70s" list having some King Crimson, Can and Pink Floyd, and even giving a honorable mention to The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway).
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Points: 65587 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2013 at 01:04
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Considering the other popular forms of rock - pop, metal, punk, folkrock, etc. - the only thing that makes sense is that most music journalists believe rock should always be what it usually is, which is to say straightforward, generally blues-based, and absorbed in pop culture.  Whether this indicates a fear and discomfort, or a genuine belief in tradition is unclear.   And where all those Tull and Yes and Floyd fans have gone I have no idea.   I do know many still listen to idiots like Sting and John Mayer.
Heh....low blow to call Sting and Mayer idiots....Sting is a very good bass player and wrote some solid stuff with The Police and Mayer, while he can be a real jerk at times, is a very good guitar player.
Lets save the idiot remarks for those who really deserve it...like say,   Metallicaca.
 
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I saw Sting four, no, five times between 87 and 93.   Dream of the Blue Turtles tour was brilliant but things got progressively worse with each performance, having gutted his brilliant Blue Turtles band and utterly lost his way as an important song writer.   Good bass player, yes, wrote some solid stuff, yes.   Saw Mayer too, he opened for Stevie Nicks in 2001.   He was what he is supposed to be, a sentimental dork with delusions of godhood.

Yeah Metallica are idiots but the metal scene was largely composed of idiots, it would've been nothing without them.
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Points: 29353 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2013 at 01:39
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Considering the other popular forms of rock - pop, metal, punk, folkrock, etc. - the only thing that makes sense is that most music journalists believe rock should always be what it usually is, which is to say straightforward, generally blues-based, and absorbed in pop culture.  Whether this indicates a fear and discomfort, or a genuine belief in tradition is unclear.   And where all those Tull and Yes and Floyd fans have gone I have no idea.   I do know many still listen to idiots like Sting and John Mayer.
Heh....low blow to call Sting and Mayer idiots....Sting is a very good bass player and wrote some solid stuff with The Police and Mayer, while he can be a real jerk at times, is a very good guitar player.
Lets save the idiot remarks for those who really deserve it...like say,   Metallicaca.
 
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I saw Sting four, no, five times between 87 and 93.   Dream of the Blue Turtles tour was brilliant but things got progressively worse with each performance, having gutted his brilliant Blue Turtles band and utterly lost his way as an important song writer.   Good bass player, yes, wrote some solid stuff, yes.   Saw Mayer too, he opened for Stevie Nicks in 2001.   He was what he is supposed to be, a sentimental dork with delusions of godhood.

Yeah Metallica are idiots but the metal scene was largely composed of idiots, it would've been nothing without them.




I like Ten Summoner's Tales. I don't hear a massive difference between this and Steely Dan's Aja tbh. I also like the last two Police albums. All happily sit on my I-pod.
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^ yeah Summoner's was decent
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I could read this article with a friendly smile. I recognized something of myself in the black-light initiated 70's adolescent male devotee looking for shelter. Moreover, I don't expect any understanding of prog from someone who spent his teens rubbing himself in with 80's excrements.
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Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

I don't expect any understanding of prog from someone who spent his teens rubbing himself in with 80's excrements.
 
He was : Too Young to Rock´'n´'Roll, and Tooooo old tooo dance.
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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"We're all very practical here because this is a practical world  Stern Smile.  Also, I'm probably an unhappy, cynical b*****d."

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Points: 18044 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2013 at 08:21
Originally posted by Knobby Knobby wrote:

"....soon right away,right away."
 
 
The hardest thing to teach all you guys about stuff like this ... is the old adage, that was called the "deep throat" thing in the old days ... and you know what that means?
 
SHUT UP!
 
This is what made a couple of films famous ... the church talking and condemning it, and everyone went to see it to see what the hoopla was all about! The more the church condemned it the more millions the film made!
 
How intelligent for the church to help the devil make the money, hey? Whose side is the church on, anyway?
 
Morons like that, don't even know music!
 
Arsenic-holes like that have no idea that if Yes and Genesis was weed, that the bands he liked were on Coke ... of course, he was also given some from the girls in the bandwagon ... so he can say nice things.
 
On top of it, his music knowledge is stupid ... like none of that has ever been done in classical music, or any other music or jazz ... but it tells you how screwed up the media is, in making sure that the top ten sells and nothing else does ... by trashing it senseless ... and we're too ducking stupid, to ignore it!
 
Let it die ... please remove the link and drop the story ... it's not worth the discussion ... and as my dad used to say ... DIRT BELONGS UNDER YOUR FEET!
 
 


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Points: 18044 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2013 at 09:02
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Knobby Knobby wrote:

"....soon right away,right away."
 
 
The hardest thing to teach all you guys about stuff like this ...
 
 

I refuse to be "taught" by you. Honestly there is nothing you say I want to hear...or read. No offense. That's the way it is. Sorry.
 
No worries. I have no illusions or delusions about teachers, including myself.
 
The sad part is, that you will never be able to see the pearls amidst all the swine that you think you see!
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Knobby Knobby wrote:

"....soon right away,right away."
 
 
The hardest thing to teach all you guys about stuff like this ...
 
 

I refuse to be "taught" by you. Honestly there is nothing you say I want to hear...or read. No offense. That's the way it is. Sorry.
 
No worries. I have no illusions or delusions about teachers, including myself.
 
The sad part is, that you will never be able to see the pearls amidst all the swine that you think you see!
Oh...I deleted that post because I thought I was being too rude.
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Points: 7026 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2013 at 09:47
Mosh, it’s not that I disagree with your views on the review, but why do you tell us to shut up, while it’s OK for you to discuss it? Confused


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Points: 3167 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2013 at 10:46
Originally posted by Earendil Earendil wrote:

 Stern Smile.  Also, I'm probably an unhappy, cynical b*****d.


THIS.

The Sheffield guy writing this doesn't know misery and isolation and self hatred. At least that's what my infinite love of Prog rock feeds from.

I'm gonna go feel sad and drink a smoothie...


Someday... Prog rock will come back. Maybe the masses will get sick of hearing the same god damn song year after year. I feel like music in the mainstream has not changed one bit since the year 2000, when hip hop started being just as popular as Britney Spears.

God it's all evil. I hate it all. I am afraid that I want the world to burn. We are nothing but heaps of trash waiting to die anyway. I hate music.

But oh man I love this website :D
http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/



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Originally posted by Smurph Smurph wrote:

Originally posted by Earendil Earendil wrote:

 Stern Smile.  Also, I'm probably an unhappy, cynical b*****d.


THIS.

The Sheffield guy writing this doesn't know misery and isolation and self hatred. At least that's what my infinite love of Prog rock feeds from.

I'm gonna go feel sad and drink a smoothie...


Someday... Prog rock will come back. Maybe the masses will get sick of hearing the same god damn song year after year. I feel like music in the mainstream has not changed one bit since the year 2000, when hip hop started being just as popular as Britney Spears.

God it's all evil. I hate it all. I am afraid that I want the world to burn. We are nothing but heaps of trash waiting to die anyway. I hate music.

But oh man I love this website :D


Prog is back.

What should the mainstream matter to us?  The music is there.  It serves a purpose (albeit a pretty trivial one).  Prog is thriving, experimental music is thriving, rock and roll is thriving, all of them are thriving on the internet, in local music scenes - and above all, in the hearts and minds of the people who love them.  If anything, quality rock music is becoming more and more like folk music - kind of a folk music for the masses, if you will.  That might be a very good thing.
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Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes Ambient Hurricanes wrote:


Originally posted by Smurph Smurph wrote:

Originally posted by Earendil Earendil wrote:

 Stern Smile.  Also, I'm probably an unhappy, cynical b*****d.


THIS.

The Sheffield guy writing this doesn't know misery and isolation and self hatred. At least that's what my infinite love of Prog rock feeds from.

I'm gonna go feel sad and drink a smoothie...


Someday... Prog rock will come back. Maybe the masses will get sick of hearing the same god damn song year after year. I feel like music in the mainstream has not changed one bit since the year 2000, when hip hop started being just as popular as Britney Spears.

God it's all evil. I hate it all. I am afraid that I want the world to burn. We are nothing but heaps of trash waiting to die anyway. I hate music.

But oh man I love this website :D
Prog is back.What should the mainstream matter to us?  The music is there.  It serves a purpose (albeit a pretty trivial one).  Prog is thriving, experimental music is thriving, rock and roll is thriving, all of them are thriving on the internet, in local music scenes - and above all, in the hearts and minds of the people who love them.  If anything, quality rock music is becoming more and more like folk music - kind of a folk music for the masses, if you will.  That might be a very good thing.


You're very right on that.
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http://www.latimes.com/features/books/jacketcopy/la-ca-jc-yes-is-the-answer-prog-rock-20130616,0,1163211.story

Edited by Svetonio - June 19 2013 at 14:07
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Top German Dual turntable there, Svetonio.
 
I dont care what  guff audiofools feed you about megabucks turntables - that's a fine Dual! I have 4 Duals, and that model is one of them.


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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

http://www.latimes.com/features/books/jacketcopy/la-ca-jc-yes-is-the-answer-prog-rock-20130616,0,1163211.story

Now that's a good article.
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