"Freedom" thread or something

Padraic wrote: This thread is being monitored.

Hey whadya know?
All us "sillies" moaning about how Obama has just been George Wubya #2, and the parties are the same and civil liberties blah blah

Turns out we were right!
Shocker lol

The whole IRS thing and targeting conservative journalists was bad, but this whole data collecting thing.
oi : (



Edited by JJLehto - June 09 2013 at 12:17

King of Loss wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance Wow. and why did he pick Hong Kong

King of Loss wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance Wow. and why did he pick Hong Kong

They respect free speech. They aren't in the pocket of the US. They aren't afraid of the US.

That eliminates a lot of places.

That's why I think he's (perhaps already) toast, they want to get to him before the Chinese grab him and extract other more damaging things he knows and has been exposed to.

I mean, I remember reading up on a story about google getting kicked out of Mainland China because they were accused of spying for the US government. So I think the Chinese government knows about this program and is the reason why they've been launching cyberattacks of their own. 

dr wu23 wrote: King of Loss wrote: Padraic wrote: This thread is being monitored. I'm not surprised at all. I would expect that the government would be spying on us at all times.   Exactly and those that act otherwise or outraged must be a lttle naive. 'They' have always spyed on the people since they obtained the capability years and years ago. Now they just can do it better. And as far as 'Snowden' , why go into the intel field to begin with if this kind of thing bothers your' conscience'? Certainly he must have known this was going on since it's no 'secret' within the intel community at large. Smells more like a book deal to me than his need to 'inform' the public. And why would anyone do anything to him after the fact (the horse has already left the barn and most people knew this junk was going on) since it would only be obvious and draw even more attention to the whle situation.

dr wu23 wrote: King of Loss wrote: Padraic wrote: This thread is being monitored. I'm not surprised at all. I would expect that the government would be spying on us at all times.   Exactly and those that act otherwise or outraged must be a lttle naive. 'They' have always spyed on the people since they obtained the capability years and years ago. Now they just can do it better. And as far as 'Snowden' , why go into the intel field to begin with if this kind of thing bothers your' conscience'? Certainly he must have known this was going on since it's no 'secret' within the intel community at large. Smells more like a book deal to me than his need to 'inform' the public. And why would anyone do anything to him after the fact (the horse has already left the barn and most people knew this junk was going on) since it would only be obvious and draw even more attention to the whle situation.

Ask Bradley Manning. He won't be getting a book deal anytime soon.

Nobody is surprised that the government is spying. The sheer scope and illegality is what is troubling. Thankfully, Snowden had a conscious, no matter how inconvenient you seem to find that.

dr wu23 wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: dr wu23 wrote: King of Loss wrote: Padraic wrote: This thread is being monitored. I'm not surprised at all. I would expect that the government would be spying on us at all times.   Exactly and those that act otherwise or outraged must be a lttle naive. 'They' have always spyed on the people since they obtained the capability years and years ago. Now they just can do it better. And as far as 'Snowden' , why go into the intel field to begin with if this kind of thing bothers your' conscience'? Certainly he must have known this was going on since it's no 'secret' within the intel community at large. Smells more like a book deal to me than his need to 'inform' the public. And why would anyone do anything to him after the fact (the horse has already left the barn and most people knew this junk was going on) since it would only be obvious and draw even more attention to the whle situation.   Ask Bradley Manning. He won't be getting a book deal anytime soon. Nobody is surprised that the government is spying. The sheer scope and illegality is what is troubling. Thankfully, Snowden had a conscious, no matter how inconvenient you seem to find that.   Right....some one who conveniently develops a conscience after going into the intel 'business' knowing beforehand the nature of the beast.....please. I'm not condoning 'illegal wiretaps' (and that depends on how one defines these things..) but it;s here to stay.

Gerinski wrote: Just a bit ironic that this comes right after all the fuss about China cyber-spying the US. You can't spy our people but we can and we must  The new technologies are changing the rules and I doubt many people grasp what is that going to mean.