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The Dark Elf 
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 Posted: June 04 2013 at 21:01 |
 cstack3 wrote:
...on the other hand, I cannot think of a single Jethro Tull song that is even remotely sci-fi! Oh well, what do we expect from a band that adopted its name from the inventor of the seed-drill? |
Hmmm....I would suggest that A Passion Play is perhaps sci-fi, dealing with an afterlife run by bureaucrats. But nothing truly sci-fi, per se. More legendary creatures, the supernatural and spirits. Like "Witch's Promise" on Living in the Past, "Salamander" from Too Old to Rock and Roll, "Jack in the Green" on Songs from the Wood, "Old Ghosts" and "Flying Dutchman" on Storm Watch , or "Beasties" on Broadsword and the Beast.
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Posted: June 04 2013 at 21:07 |
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Maybe it is only distantly prog related, but "Wooden Ships" by Crosby Stills & Nash is an excellent song, with very apocalyptic vision and haunting lyrics!
Somewhat in the spirit of Harlan Ellison's "Dangerous Visions," a classic! |
I never was interested in Sci-fi, certainly not in the galactic Star Trek or Star Wars sense, but Watcher Of The Skies changed all that. I understand the song was inspired by Arthur C. Clarke's Childhood's End." Suddenly Prog Rock became like a guide for furthering my interest in this type of literary genre. I was already heavily into Gothic & fairy tail fantasy, which is what attracted me to albums like Nursery Cryme, and some of Camel's and Strawbs music. Sci-fi & Fantasy became the lyrical and conceptual platform for Prog music.
Lily-White Lilith & The Lamia (Genesis-The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway) were influenced by George McDonald's two adult fantasies, "Phantastes" and "Lilith". And the listings go on and on.
I guess we could stretch it a bit with mainstream, or non-progs even with songs like Wooden Ships, Dream Weaver, or Steve Miller's Space Cowboy, etc. with vague references or hints of Prog stylings and moods. It's all there. 
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Posted: June 05 2013 at 07:17 |
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Lily-White Lilith & The Lamia (Genesis-The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway) were influenced by George McDonald's two adult fantasies, Phantastes and Lilith. [/QUOTE wrote:
Interesting.
First time I heard this. |
Interesting.
First time I heard this.
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Posted: June 05 2013 at 08:54 |
Knobby wrote:
| Rando
Lily-White Lilith & The Lamia (Genesis-The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway) were influenced by George McDonald's two adult fantasies, Phantastes and Lilith. |
Interesting.
First time I heard this. [/QUOTE wrote:
We need the final word from Gabriel on this...anyone have his e-mail addy?
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We need the final word from Gabriel on this...anyone have his e-mail addy?
Edited by dr wu23 - June 05 2013 at 09:16
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moshkito
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Posted: June 05 2013 at 09:09 |
The Dark Elf wrote:
cstack3 wrote:
...on the other hand, I cannot think of a single Jethro Tull song that is even remotely sci-fi! Oh well, what do we expect from a band that adopted its name from the inventor of the seed-drill? |
Hmmm....I would suggest that A Passion Play is perhaps sci-fi, dealing with an afterlife run by bureaucrats.
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Hmmm ... these autocrats is the audience for "classical" music ... that was (at the time) on the edge of death ... and thus the cover! It was, in MY BOOK, a massive reference to Pink Floyd and Roland Pettit having done "Atom Heart Mother" (I think that was the one!) as a ballet, that was trashed senseless by rock critics that have as much taste as they do for rotten tomatoes and soap! But I think that it also was a massive editorial about the way of the "classical music concert", and the concert hall thing for classical music, that has been fading for 30 years, and makes less money than the worst folk music and college bands nowadays! The stories and conceptuality of the whole thing, is kinda fun, but it is also a massive commentary on OUR OWN ABILITY to deal with lyrics and ideas ... in essence we DON'T. It is by far, one of the top three progressive pieces of all time! And the cover, is magnificent. While I do not wish classical music to die, it has killed itself by not accepting and updating itself with more modern composers ... it's downright stupid, when you see a top orchestra in Austria, or London do Frank Zappa, and in the US, all you get is a bunch of kids asking for more guitar solos ... and they don't give a damn about anything else, or what the idea of the whole thing was about (before the enema!) ... we killed classical music, because we don't care!!! AND, on top of it ... WE'RE DOING EXACTLY THE SAME THING that those classical folks did to us! We have no more appreciation of "music" than they did! None!
Edited by moshkito - June 17 2013 at 15:53
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moshkito
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Posted: June 05 2013 at 09:42 |
dr wu23 wrote:
Knobby wrote:
Rando wrote:
Lily-White Lilith & The Lamia (Genesis-The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway) were influenced by George McDonald's two adult fantasies, "Phantastes" and "Lilith". |
Interesting.
First time I heard this. |
We need the final word from Gabriel on this...anyone have his e-mail addy?
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Yeah ... but not public content, or privately shared! I'm not going to abuse the priviledge of a friend! EVER! True or not, is not the issue ... the fact is that we don't believe that Peter was (and is!) a well-read person, that has read some different things in his lifetime ... we can only think that he has to write rock songs, about BS, without literary value or connections! "The Lamb" is a massive "novel" in its own right! Were we able to accept the completeness of it all, but we do not know how to look past the rock "song" concept or idea! It doesn't matter where it came from ... all that matters is that Peter was able to take his inspiration, and ... create one for us ... and sometimes, knowing, or wanting to know the original creator is akin to taking the creator's ability from him. Peter does not deserve that for any work that he did with Genesis, the last of which was "The Lamb". This is just like ... "the father and I are one ..." which means, that where it came from is NOT the issue ... but it is almost like you have to validate, it came from God for you to accept it? And you have no idea, or understanding of what the "truth" in words is all about, do you?
Edited by moshkito - June 05 2013 at 10:03
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Posted: June 05 2013 at 10:33 |
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Ethos’s first album “Ethos (Ardour)” explored SF concepts, albeit rather cheesily. They seemed to make a point of shifting toward more down-to-earth subject matter on their second album “Open Up”, such as attacks on the music business.
Barclay James Harvest delved into SF themes with After the Day and Nova Lepidoptera (which was openly labeled as science fiction!)
Let’s not forget ’39 by Queen, notable not only for its being atypical in style for the band, but for the long-term space-travel storyline.
Curved Air’s Moonshine, from “Airborne.”
Pallas and Earth & Fire, among others, did concept albums about Atlantis.
The Enid’s “Something Wicked This Way Comes” had an Apocalyptic theme.
Flash’s “Out of Our Hands” was mostly taken up with the Catalina suite, which involved an interstellar messenger dispatched to Earth.
Nektar’s “Remember the Future” had a SF storyline that combined elements of both Jesus Christ Superstar and Tommy (at least IMO).
I’m surprised no one mentioned Gong and their Radio Gnome Invisible trilogy, with its hippy-trippy interplanetary storyline.
Happy the Man’s repertoire was mostly instrumental, but the titular character of The Falcon (fr. “Better Late…”) was a space explorer with a warning for mankind.
Hudson-Ford: I Don’t Understand, Revelations, Silent Star, Did Worlds Collide, Mechanics.
Jon & Vangelis: Mayflower, which compares the original sailing vessel to a future interstellar vessel bringing people to a new world.
McDonald & Giles’ Birdman, with its straightforward story of a man who builds himself a set of artificial wings.
National Health’s Tenemos Roads was loosely inspired by “The Worm Ouroboros” by Eric Rucker Eddison.
Rick Wakeman’s “No Earthly Connection” had SF themes, again rather cheesily. And let’s not forget “Journey to the Centre of the Earth,” based on Jules Verne’s novel.
Holy crap, this turned out to be a long list.
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Posted: June 05 2013 at 20:03 |
dr wu23 wrote:
Knobby wrote:
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Lily-White Lilith & The Lamia (Genesis-The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway) were influenced by George McDonald's two adult fantasies, Phantastes and Lilith. |
Interesting.
First time I heard this. |
We need the final word from Gabriel on this...anyone have his e-mail addy?
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Ok Ok, Gabriel mentioned the book (Lilith-McDonald) in a Circus Magazine interview as one of his favorite fantasy novels. If I find the interview in the Circus' archives I'll be more than happy to paste it on here. A bit of literary reference here, in the novel Lilith, she is a "Lamia" (half woman, half serpent creature). Both are in The Lamb.
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Ok Ok, Gabriel mentioned the book (Lilith-McDonald) in a Circus Magazine interview as one of his favorite fantasy novels. If I find the interview in the Circus' archives I'll be more than happy to paste it on here. A bit of literary reference here, in the novel Lilith, she is a "Lamia" (half woman, half serpent creature). Both are in The Lamb.
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Posted: June 05 2013 at 21:55 |
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Lol. George McDonald is the name of my uncle.
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Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣
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Posted: June 05 2013 at 23:40 |
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"The Return of the Giant Hogweed" by Genesis is a nice bit of satire on B-grade sci-fi films! I like the drama that Gabriel evokes with his vocals....
Edited by cstack3 - June 05 2013 at 23:40
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Posted: June 06 2013 at 02:17 |
cstack3 wrote:
"The Return of the Giant Hogweed" by Genesis is a nice bit of satire on B-grade sci-fi films! I like the drama that Gabriel evokes with his vocals....
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I guess strongly inspired by The Little Shop Of Horrors.
Edited by Gerinski - June 06 2013 at 03:36
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Posted: June 06 2013 at 08:00 |
You sure about that?
England is being invaded by hogweed brought in during Victorian times.
Its dangerous and can blind you.
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Knobby
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Posted: June 06 2013 at 08:06 |
Come to think of it, I do believe there was an episode of gardening sleuths, Rosemary & Thyme, where some fiend made up a soap or unguent of hogweed resulting in the lord of the manor's face skin sloughing off.
I dont see "Return of the Giant Hogweed" as being Triffids-like sci-fi at all.
Genesis were stricktly a mythology/fantasy-theme band.
Can't recal any sci-fi tracks.
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Notice how "Smallcreep's Day" (based on the novel) is like the factory-equivalent of Gormenghast?
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Posted: June 06 2013 at 10:50 |
Knobby wrote:
Come to think of it, I do believe there was an episode of gardening sleuths, Rosemary & Thyme, where some fiend made up a soap or unguent of hogweed resulting in the lord of the manor's face skin sloughing off.
I dont see "Return of the Giant Hogweed" as being Triffids-like sci-fi at all.
Genesis were stricktly a mythology/fantasy-theme band.
Can't recal any sci-fi tracks.
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"Watcher of the Skies" was inspired by "Childhood's End" by Arthur C. Clarke, already mentioned several times.
"Return of the Giant Hogweed" was reviewed as having a sci-fi element on PA:
Then, the science fiction-themed "The Return of the Giant Hogweed" witnesses a return to grandiose song structure and creepy, storytelling lyrics, as ambulatory, revenge-bent predatory plants strive to exterminate the human race that had foolishly sought to "enslave" them.
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Posted: June 06 2013 at 15:21 |
Rando wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Knobby wrote:
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Lily-White Lilith & The Lamia (Genesis-The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway) were influenced by George McDonald's two adult fantasies, Phantastes and Lilith. |
Interesting.
First time I heard this. |
We need the final word from Gabriel on this...anyone have his e-mail addy?
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Ok Ok, Gabriel mentioned the book (Lilith-McDonald) in a Circus Magazine interview as one of his favorite fantasy novels. If I find the interview in the Circus' archives I'll be more than happy to paste it on here. A bit of literary reference here, in the novel Lilith, she is a Lamia (half woman, half serpent creature). Both are in The Lamb.
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Interesting ,,thanks......I ignored moshkitos post since it sounds like he's having some issues...with himself.
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Interesting ,,thanks......I ignored moshkitos post since it sounds like he's having some issues...with himself.
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Posted: June 07 2013 at 15:09 |
I can't believe I forgot about this. Wounded Bird reissued this in 2009. Bruford plays on it, too. And it's in the Prog Archives!
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Posted: June 09 2013 at 11:31 |
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I can't believe I forgot about this. Wounded Bird reissued this in 2009. Bruford plays on it, too. And it's in the Prog Archives! |
And if I remember correctly it uses the NASA tapes for the solar wind on it ... which were quite similar to some of the sounds that synthesizers were creating ... though it had less of a visible musical connection that we think. Great album for me! Very enjoyable all the way through it.
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Posted: June 09 2013 at 11:35 |
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Two sci-fi related ones not mentioned much so far, and recorded more than 25 years apart:
A Time Before This - Julian's Treatment
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=4425
Starborn Tome I - The Chronicles of Israfel
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=17333
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 Open the gates of the city wide....
Check out my music taste: http://www.last.fm/user/TakeshiKovacs/
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Posted: June 09 2013 at 11:42 |
Julian's Treatment bin mentioned TWICE already.
(So was Absolute Elsewhere)
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PHIDEAUX -Out of the Angry Planet excellent track!
Edited by Knobby - June 10 2013 at 18:49
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Posted: June 12 2013 at 11:40 |
Sci-fi and prog go hand in hand don't they?
I love sci-fi (Doctor who being a favourite - although my ultimate doctor is David Tennant). Star Wars, Star Trek, Warehouse 13, Babylon 5, etc etc - it's escapism and makes you think... which is what great prog offers too. 
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