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Snow Dog
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Posted: May 25 2013 at 08:00 |
uduwudu wrote:
infocat wrote:
I think Hackett's voice has actually been quite good on recent albums.
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Ah, the blessings of auto tune. Unless it is a coincidence.
So long as he writes, plays guitars and gets worthies like Mr Wetton to do the vox - and bass! then all is well. Shame H and H did not get JW and the rest of Asia to do the super group thing. Fashions eh.
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I disagree. I positively like Hackett singing on his own solo albums but i doubt autotune goes anywhere near him.
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uduwudu
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Posted: May 25 2013 at 07:47 |
infocat wrote:
I think Hackett's voice has actually been quite good on recent albums.
| Ah, the blessings of auto tune. Unless it is a coincidence. So long as he writes, plays guitars and gets worthies like Mr Wetton to do the vox - and bass! then all is well. Shame H and H did not get JW and the rest of Asia to do the super group thing. Fashions eh.
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infocat
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Posted: May 25 2013 at 07:11 |
I think Hackett's voice has actually been quite good on recent albums.
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uduwudu
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Posted: May 25 2013 at 05:51 |
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: May 25 2013 at 05:18 |
Another vote for Hackett. No contest. Steve Howe in YES . Steve Howe solo (and please don't ever, EVER sing lead....).
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uduwudu
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Posted: May 25 2013 at 04:30 |
An interesting comparison. Howe does great work with Yes and puts Asia on the map - the moment he goes - so do I. Neither can sing worth a dime.The track "Australia" from Beginnings had me wondering if my (then) turnntable was running slow.
The remark about Anderson and Howe compositions rings strong. Sometimes certain duos act in conjunction. Lennon, McCartney, Page, Plant, Thelma and Louise etc. Howe plays great guitar of course and operates in a way that is anti-rock being a contemporary Chet Atkins. But he works best in the context of adding to work rather than initiating them (solo). Hackett is more practiced at solo albums - nearly 40 years of not being in any but his own bands. Both are versatile, innovative - I's go for Howe's acoustic work more as he seems to demonstrate some more identity there but Hacket kind of fills that area that could be where Gilmour, May and Manzanera have not gone (if that makes sense, it may be the vino calypso doing it bit there.)
The best example should have been GTR. Oh dearie me. Oh god. Sob. Trying to be prog and pop can be done but it needed a deftness of touch. Neither are blues based forms, one is classical work based, the other is sophisticated (not ham-fisticated) work. The best pop (mini symphony of harmonic detail supporting a strong melody with a matching if contrasting chorus - think ABBA or The Beatles) and the best classical (Albinoni to Francseco Zappa ;) and all points in between). GTR manged to avoid all of this. Bless the 198ps and the industry determined to milk a financial reward. Industry - go for a musical intent and you will actually benefit financially. Unless the non gate keeper directed work of Led Zeppelin's example has passed you by. The GTR might have been that blend of adventurous music with top tunes identifying the music rather than a pandering (chasing a nonexistent audience)... sorry about that it still gets me worked up.
Where was I? Listening to BOC and sipping the vino... H or H? I suppose the closest way of comparing the two objectively is Symphonic Yes (with Genesis drummer Bruford - yes I am joking a bit) and Vangelis's singer Anderson as well as Tull's orchestrator, the former Make David Palmer- no longer kidding - not is he/ she). Compared to Hackett's revisiting Genesis.
Hackett by a short and curly.
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iluvmarillion
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Posted: May 25 2013 at 04:06 |
To be fair to Steve Howe, a lot of what he does is Crossover Prog, whereas Steve Hackett mostly stays within the style of Gabriel era Genesis. Unfair comparison.
Edited by iluvmarillion - May 25 2013 at 04:06
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twosteves
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Posted: May 23 2013 at 19:54 |
Gerinski wrote:
I have always been a bit puzzled by how mediocre Howe's solo music is (apart from the typical acoustic guitar solo pieces) while is work with Yes is so fantastic. It just reinforces my feeling of how important was Jon Anderson's contribution to Yes compositions. |
I sorta know what you mean but the best Yes (70's) was mostly written by ANderson/Howe---the sort of Lennon/McCarthy of Yes in their prime---I don't think much of Anderson's solo work either--he is best as a collaborator in Yes and I think he knows it---I mean I think Jon's ego may have thought at one time he could be a solo artist of the caliber of Gabriel or Hackett but that never happened.
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Posted: May 23 2013 at 12:11 |
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Well, I voted for Hackett, but this would have made it more interesting.
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Posted: May 23 2013 at 10:44 |
Steve Hillage
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Gerinski
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Posted: May 23 2013 at 10:34 |
It was about their solo albums
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Posted: May 23 2013 at 10:08 |
Hackett. Nothing beats Cinema show for me!!
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Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣
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Libor10
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Posted: May 23 2013 at 09:28 |
Hmmm, even as I love both of them, Steve Hackett for me... Especially counting their solo career. I'm surprised about voting status so far anyway - I'd expect lesser difference between them.
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Blacksword
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Posted: May 23 2013 at 07:32 |
Not sure why, but I've never been inspired to listen to a Steve Howe solo album. As much as I like Yes I've never been that keen on his lead guitar style and sound.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Gerinski
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Posted: May 23 2013 at 06:42 |
I have always been a bit puzzled by how mediocre Howe's solo music is (apart from the typical acoustic guitar solo pieces) while is work with Yes is so fantastic. It just reinforces my feeling of how important was Jon Anderson's contribution to Yes compositions.
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Mormegil
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Posted: May 23 2013 at 06:24 |
Hackett, even though I share the same birthday as Howe.
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Welcome to the middle of the film.
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The-Winkler
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Posted: May 23 2013 at 04:54 |
There really is no comparison, Hackett is light years ahead of Howe
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Posted: May 23 2013 at 02:36 |
In all the polls related to Genesis Vs Yes I have ALWAYS voted for YES, but in terms of solo works I have to admit that I prefer Hackett.
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Posted: May 23 2013 at 00:06 |
Hackett's bad albums are better than Howe's good....er...uh...least unlistenable albums.
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Posted: May 22 2013 at 23:57 |
I've got plenty of albums of both but Hackett's are my favorites.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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