The Prog Mind

refugee wrote: I’m sure you know that Kant’s project was both to provide a philosophical foundation for Newton’s ideas and to fight off the moral relativism of Hume. I don’t know if he really succeeded, but at least he gave it a try.

Well sure, I was always under the impression that it was Newton's science that influenced Kant's philosophy. Which gives a clear example of the horse leading the cart (which is what I've been saying all along).

Dean wrote: wilmon91 wrote: Another thing was that magnetism was seen by physicists as ”the property of a single metal”, while Schelling had presented it as ”a necessary category of matter” - later experiments by a french physicist proved him right. You're going to have to be a lot more specific on the magnetism thing... are you talking about "spin"? - if so, no, he didn't. I suspect he was talking of other forms of attraction that he simply called "magnetism" because magnets attract - this analogous naming convention was common in the 19th century.

Scientifically based philosophy is highly educational. Esoteric / Theological philsophy is not. This dichotomy basically plays out that Science > Humanities period.

So I came to this site because I love progressive rock and after reading this thread all I listen to is Hip Hop!  

Edited by Larree - May 22 2013 at 14:50

Larree wrote: ^ Not a diss or anything like that... Just a little evolutionary revolutionary search for true lyrical philosophy... All good in the Larree hood!

Boooooooyakasha!!! Blondes, 40's and bitches rockin the philosophical hip hop metaphysical soup. Oh I am losing it. Lol

Second Life Syndrome wrote: How important are the philosophies and ideas in prog to you?  I find more and more that I often appreciate the lyrical message more than the music, at least at first.  The lyrical content often opens up the door for me to fall in love with the music!  One example: Riversea's "Out of an Ancient World".  This album is a masterpiece in my opinion, but the philosophy is what gripped me at first.  Truly, prog is music for thinking men! I've been thinking about this concept for a while, and so I started a Facebook page called The Prog Mind.  I want it to be a community of prog lovers that appreciate the message just as much as the melody.  They place emphasis on the lyrics and on the music.  I feel that this will get us closer and closer to the true soul of prog: that undefinable aura that seems to embrace prog.  If you feel like it, join my community at https://www.facebook.com/TheProgMind  If not, share your feelings about this topic!

Awww Second life Syndrome,
I seem to be always the odd one out. Unlike you, I tend to focus mostly on instrumentals, those can bring me to cry even, the build up the levels, the steps, the oh so sensitive tunes too, most memorable licks, everything, instrumentals to me are most important, no vocals needed. Even vocals can sound instrumental to me, most endearing, touching, heartfelt, this said, I never seem to memorize the lyrics, the tone in it can give me goose bumps, no need to listen to the lyrics because I hear it and feel it in the tone.   
All my friends could sing along to songs while I unfortunately have always been the odd one out who could only hum to those tunes 
I do get a thrill and/or goose bumps from great instrumentals, both acoustic and electric.


Edited by Kati - May 22 2013 at 22:18

Instrumentals can carry on a story even without lyrics and it's not a prog's invention. Peter and the Wolf is an early example, but the good is that while in classical music the various instruments are intended to reproduce let's say, the sound of a storm (Beethoven) or a character (Prokovief), after the 60s psychedelia has introduced another way of vehiculate a concept, based on the general feeling instead of on single instruments. So now you can follow the travel of Osiris in the realm of Death until is resurrection in an instrumental Senmuth's album, you can guess a sci-fi horror story just from the title tracks and of course from the music of many zeuhl bands, like the excellent recent Unit Wail's debut. Also the mentioned Blade Runner's soundtrack doesn't need any lyric. One more kiss, dear features lyrics totally extraneous to the story and Demis Roussos sings in a language which is a mix of Greek and Arabian, like a Greek answer to Christian Vander's Kobayan. All the rest is instrumental.

richardh wrote: cstack3 wrote: I love sci-fi themes in prog!  "Watcher of the Skies" was the first to really grab me, and it seems all bands at least dabbled in it.  ELP, Pink Floyd and others famously wallowed in sci-fi themes!   Any favorites, ye worthy forum fans?   I love sci-fi in general especially the Blade Runner vision of a dystopian future In can be a hard thing to get right. For me Eloy nailed the sci fi thing with Planets and Time To Turn Hawkwind have to be mentioned of course. We had a record deck in the school common room and they seemed to be on constantly. Listening to them now brings back a weird nostalgia. Not sure that there is as much sci fi themed albums like their used to be. Sci -fi was such a big thing in the seventies but now there is lot more fantasy based concepts which is different thing altogether imo. I would love a band to have a go at a big sci fi themed concept.

 philosophy = day-dreaming.

jude111 wrote: Burial's Untrue gets a lot of comparisons to Blade Runner. It's not so much the sound (you'd be hard-pressed to compare it to Vangelis), but what the music portrays. A lot of people hear urban dystopia in Burial's music, but I don't. I find his music projects a love for the urban environment, and his music, rather than a lot of dark early dubstep, is oddly comforting. Untrue conjures the city at 3am, but rather than a place of anxiety and fear, it's a place of mystery, a place you want to be.

Edited by King Only - May 23 2013 at 10:25