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AlexDOM
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 02 2011 Location: Indianapolis Status: Offline Points: 775 |
Posted: May 13 2013 at 21:46 | |
The Ending of The Count of Tuscany is too epic for me to handle sometimes to be honest. Sorry for my vulnerability...
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zeqexes
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 19 2012 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 1238 |
Posted: May 14 2013 at 02:54 | |
I agree about Count, but the Best of Times and Lost Not Forgotten not so much. Bits of LnF annoy me (such as the solos about 2 mins in), and imo, TBoT is a mediocre song with a phenomenal solo at the end. That solo is probably in my top 3 DT solos. I'm looking forward to the new album too. Jordan Rudess tweeted a picture earlier of a new mellotron that he got, so hopefully we'll get to hear it on the album.
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darkshade
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 19 2005 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 10964 |
Posted: May 14 2013 at 11:40 | |
Another update. You guys know the orchestral conductor/arranger that helped work on the Jordan Rudess Explorations Project, and performed a concert in Venezuela of Jordan's compositions in 2011? Well, that guy, Eren Başbuğ, posted this on his twitter.
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zumacraig
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 10 2011 Status: Offline Points: 1301 |
Posted: May 14 2013 at 11:44 | |
Right on! All the parts are great. The intro is what gets me. I hadn't had a piece of music do that to me in a while and when I heard that intro it just nailed me to the wall. So so great. I like the spacey guitar solo in the middle too. Best of Times is fun because of the Spirit of Radio type riff there as well as the ending solo. Lyrics are goofy, at best. I think all of ADToE is great. It is quite dense though and many times they come back to codas that are not necessary. Also, things begin to sound the same. This is the Life is another favorite. Bridges is awesome. They opened with that when I saw them on that tour. All the other songs have their moments, but can be a bit busy. Petrucci just let lose on writing some complicated stuff...(maybe beyond Portnoy?) Also, I never ever paid attention to a drum solo in my life until I saw Magini live. Absolutely compelling!
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Stardust we are.
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zeqexes
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 19 2012 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 1238 |
Posted: May 14 2013 at 16:20 | |
Very interesting! And in the picture that he linked to in the tweet, he's wearing a Steven Wilson shirt
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Dellinger
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Posted: May 17 2013 at 10:48 | |
I do like The Best of Times, but indeed most of it is because of the solo at the end. The rest of the song is nice, but kind of cheesy and popish, it could have been much better (and the guitar solo could have been longer, too). |
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darkshade
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Posted: May 20 2013 at 17:53 | |
Catcher10
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Posted: May 21 2013 at 10:00 | |
Thanks for the update! Do they actually have a DT plane? Or is this their wish to have one like Iron Maiden's jet plane.......!
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Chozal
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 01 2011 Location: Melun, France Status: Offline Points: 187 |
Posted: May 21 2013 at 10:08 | |
Didn't really understand the ADTOE hate. I think it's their best albums since Six Degrees, easily. I'm quite excited for the next record now that they've got a tour to get acquainted with Mike better.
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Catcher10
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Posted: May 21 2013 at 10:26 | |
I don't think it is hate (not from me at least).....but more a dissapointment. I skip thru most of the songs, and Mike has nothing to do with it since apperantly he did not have much say so in the making of ADTOE. I suspect most of the material was already written before he joined the band. ADTOE did not live up to the hype, as far as the tour, when we saw them in Seattle in 2011, Outcry was a bore live. It has no life...it just droned on for 10 min, the crowd went limp. Its just an OK album for me. Again, like I said the next album needs to throw down!! They need it, or risk becoming just one of those prog-metal bands that has settled in after 20 yrs.
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Chozal
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 01 2011 Location: Melun, France Status: Offline Points: 187 |
Posted: May 21 2013 at 10:39 | |
I've read a number of "this is their worst album" reviews on different websites which made me think it was hated.
I was pleasantly surprised by the efforts they made to pull away from the metal-on-metal approach they had recently. Breaking All Illusions, Outcry, Bridges in the Sky, On the back of angels sounded great on the album imo. The weakest stuff were the ballads. Haven't seen them live, that's a fair point. |
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zumacraig
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 10 2011 Status: Offline Points: 1301 |
Posted: May 21 2013 at 11:08 | |
I loved ADTOE. It is a long album though and they could've taken the best parts of Outcry, Breaking All Illusion and made a more killer epic. They tend to make songs a bit too long. I liked the slower tunes, but that last ballad was a throwaway. I liked the set up of BC&SL with one good ballad, a few metal rockers and a few proggy tunes.
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Stardust we are.
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Ambient Hurricanes
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 25 2011 Location: internet Status: Offline Points: 2549 |
Posted: May 21 2013 at 17:02 | |
I thought everything on ADTOE was absolutely brilliant, epics, ballads, and all. And now I'm afraid the new album won't be as good and I'll be disappointed. Guess I'll just have to wait and see!
I guess I just don't get all the disappointment surrounding the album (although a lot of people loved it, too). If you analyze it musically the compositions are easily some of the finest the band has ever done. The lyrics are waaaay better than anything since Awake, Labrie sounds like himself and not like James Hetfield, you can actually hear Myung sometimes, the performance is really emotional without being cheesy, the album flows emotionally remarkably well (you can easily imagine it as a companion album to a movie or something), the ballads are intimate, poignant and heartfelt instead of big, cheesy, and overdone (*cough* Wither *cough*). For instance, just think about the sprawling compositions on Six Degrees (remember the incoherent and choppy overture?), an album which was brilliant but flawed, and then consider how much more coherent, mature, and concise these compositions are. The band develops themes better. They structure their songs better. The solos sound like integral parts of the compositions and not just moments to show off. Sure, the band let themselves go on Outcry a bit, but in that context, where the interlude is supposed to represent a war, the endless chaos makes sense. |
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truedefiance
Forum Newbie Joined: January 08 2013 Location: Planet Earth Status: Offline Points: 26 |
Posted: May 21 2013 at 19:41 | |
Just about my entire family has been obsessed with ADTOE, except for me. I don't hate the album; it's just that song it becomes quite monotonous after the first two songs. I would disagree with Hurricanes because when I hear the album, even though iv'e heard it many a time, I can barely tell the songs apart. It feels like they took all their ingenious musical ideas, and threw it into a blender, mixing all the concepts and instrumentation and pouring it out like a frothy milkshake for the Prog community to devour. Don't get me wrong, their brilliant musicians, but I see so much potential in their music that they are not tapping into.
However, far from Heaven and Beneath the surface make me want to cry, and no song has ever done that before, so I give them some props.
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Dellinger
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Posted: May 21 2013 at 21:05 | |
I don't hate that album, but perhaps I was a bit dissapointed. I kind of feel they did rush into the album, as if they wanted to release it extra fast just because Portnoy had wanted to take too much time. I did like the music, but I feel they didn't get anything to rival their best moments, everything was just a bit below what they chould have achieved. Kind of nothing particularly memorable. I'm hoping the new album will do better, perhaps the input from Mangini might give them some new fresh ideas. Oh yes, and I do hope Rudess would use some more piano on the album, he sounds wonderful on piano and I believe it works nice on DT... but usually the few piano parts are way too short. Plus, perhaps doing some jazzy piano as he used with Steven Wilson would be great too. He can be so versatile, yet sounds very similar on all DT albums... at first I guess it was fresh what he did, but I guess it's time he did something more, and sure he can do more.
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darkshade
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 19 2005 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 10964 |
Posted: May 21 2013 at 21:42 | |
I have high hopes for the band's new album. They've taken almost double the amount of time to develop the music, and
Mangini is involved this time. I kinda know what you guys mean about the band rushing ADTOE, and maybe they did to keep up with the hype and controversy surrounding Portnoy's departure, but I think they made their best album since Six Degrees, and I believe they're going to top ADTOE with DT12. |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: May 22 2013 at 05:20 | |
I don't like the last album and have no desire to play it again. I expect I will though just to remind me how dismal it is. I love Six Degrees though and the overture isn't "incoherent and choppy" The whole thing is damn near the best thing they ever did.
Hoping the new album will be great. If it is .like the last one (can't even remember the title and don't want to) it will be the end of DT for me unless Portnoy rejoins. Unlike Dillinger I don't want to hear any bloody piano on it.
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UMUR
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 3069 |
Posted: May 22 2013 at 09:06 | |
I don´t think they´ll change it up much anymore, which is a real shame as their first maybe 5 albums were very different from each other. There was clear development from album to album. Not necessarily a positive one to my ears, but development. After that I feel they went stagnant. Started rehashing ideas and when they tried new things they just didn´t sound as great as the old stuff. It´s not like I don´t enjoy their later material because on occasion I do, but I´m not blown away by it like I was the first time I heard "Images & Words" or "Awake". Of course the world of music has moved on and what was considered bold back then is often considered the standard in progressive metal today.
...and those damn ballads
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Catcher10
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Posted: May 22 2013 at 11:00 | |
Becareful.......tame your expectations. I have high hopes I will win the Mega Lotto everytime......a las I still have to work! Its easy for me to have high hopes as I was disappointed with ADTOE, in general. I have no idea what they are doing and who is doing what with new material for DT12. I can only judge when the album comes out..... I'll have to spin ADTOE this weekend and follow along with the lyrics, to Hurricane's point, maybe I am missing paying attention to the lyrics. Any other time I find myself drifting off or simply lifting up my tonearm or pressing stop on the CD player....Its a tough listen for me all the way thru. I don't really have a problem with the ballads on this one....better than Wither which to me is a power rock ballad much like a Journey style power ballad. DT12 needs to be killer, for me.......the music on BC&SL was pretty damn good, cheesy lyrics yea, but the music made up for it. I am one of the few that feel ToT was killer....musically and lyrically, prog-metal at its best. Do I expect that style for DT12, not sure...would I be disappointed, probably not. I am open, but another ADTOE album and I might not be so open anymore......time to move on. |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: May 22 2013 at 11:02 | |
Absolutely. Agreed. Plus TOT is epic!
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