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Posted: May 11 2013 at 09:49
I am confirm that prog music is popular in the70s.I believe that not only prog music is favorite to me but also everybody loves prog.I am very glad to read article about prog.If you want to collect more songs,let's get started!
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Posted: May 11 2013 at 08:32
Dean wrote:
I wonder how many people here walk away from a two hour show moaning about what the band didn't play rather than enjoying in what they did play?
That's precisely why Roger Waters is able to travel around the world
with The Wall for the third year in a row. People get exactly what
they're expecting. No surprises, no new stuff, not even a slightly new
rendition of the songs. The guitarist is copying Gilmour note for note. It was very enjoyable.
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Posted: May 11 2013 at 06:26
Yeah, but in this case, these were people who didn't attend. They tried to spread their pre-conceived notions to the rest. It didn't dent the attendance at that show, though, nor the enthusiasm of either the band or the audience.
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Posted: May 11 2013 at 06:24
rogerthat wrote:
I know people who can lament and criticise a show even before attending it (in fact, in such cases they do not intend to, and perhaps therefore want to ruin the experience for those who are a bit more open minded).
Well, there's the theory that the less expectant you attend a show the more you will enjoy it, rather than expecting too much and likely coming out disappointed
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Posted: May 11 2013 at 06:17
Dean wrote:
I wonder how many people here walk away from a two hour show moaning about what the band didn't play rather than enjoying in what they did play?
The setlist, the lineup, blah blah, it goes on. I know people who can lament and criticise a show even before attending it (in fact, in such cases they do not intend to, and perhaps therefore want to ruin the experience for those who are a bit more open minded).
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Posted: May 11 2013 at 05:51
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Hugely successful because it had Another Brick In The Wall Pt 2, not precisely because of The Trial. I knew many people who would proudly show the double album off but they would only play Another Brick Pt 2 and change to something else.
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Never understood how the artist's influences are supposed to magically align with the preferences of listeners.
The concept of The Wall is exactly this. The infamous Montreal spitting incident that became the final brick. The barrier between what the artist wanted to play and what the fans clamoured for. Once success is achieved the gigs become those relentless "Greatest Hits" carrosel tours performed by the original artists, the fanbase wants an official tribute band comprising of the original members. In Prog we pretend that is not the case, we don't want the greatest hits tour, we want the more of the same tour, but they are one and the same.
"There's an exhibit based on The Wall at the Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland, and they asked me for a quote to put up as graffiti on it. And this is what I wrote: 'In the Old Days, pre-Dark Side of the Moon, Pink Floyd played to audiences which, by virtue of their size, allowed an intimacy of connection that was magical. However, success overtook us and by 1977 we were playing in football stadiums. The magic was crushed beneath the weight of numbers. We were becoming addicted to the trappings of popularity. I found myself increasingly alienated in that atmosphere of avarice and ego until one night in the Olympic Stadium, Montreal, the boil of my frustrations burst. Some crazed teenage fan was clawing his way up the storm netting that separated us from the human cattle pen in front of the stage screaming his devotion to the demi-gods beyond his reach. Incensed by his misunderstanding and my own connivance, I spat my frustration in his face. Later that night, back at the hotel, shocked by my behavior, I was faced with a choice. To deny my addiction and embrace that comfortably numb but magic-less existence or accept the burden of insight, take the road less traveled and embark on the often painful journey to discover who I was and where I fit. The wall was the picture I drew for myself to help me make that choice.' That's a good summation of it." - Roger Waters
The irony of the success of The Wall and its radio-friendly four-by-four disco (dubsteppy) hit single.
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Posted: May 11 2013 at 05:33
Dean wrote:
This is the genre of do what you will and do what you want, bowing the the pressure of an elite is to be resisted regardless of the uniform that elite wears, give the die-hard fans what they want can be just as wrong as giving the record execs what they want. If you don't like the results then don't buy it, just don't winge and whine about what could have been, what should have been or what might have been - that's a has been lament
Strongly agree. Never understood how the artist's influences are supposed to magically align with the preferences of listeners.
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Posted: May 11 2013 at 05:31
Surrealist wrote:
Floyd did The Wall. Great album and was successful.. Hugely so.
Hugely successful because it had Another Brick In The Wall Pt 2, not precisely because of The Trial. I knew many people who would proudly show the double album off but they would only play Another Brick Pt 2 and change to something else.
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Posted: May 11 2013 at 04:52
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Looks like progression was a lose-lose situation if you didn't do it the way the stuck in the mud retrogressive fans wanted, but stagnation wasn't a win-win either... what a dilemma.
Thing is, we never got over the idea of "selling out". Commercialism was a dirty word, even with bands who were successful because the backlash was never far behind, an artist is only permitted to hog the limelight for so long, you cannot be the darling of the fans forever. The Progilluminati has degreed success is not to be tolerated, bring on the brickbats, man the barricades, repel all boarders, throw your sabots into the gears of the new technology, audacity is the anathema to artistry - Steven Wilson stands as testament to that, had Ronnie Stolt sold more albums he too would be in the dock of this kangaroo court of the defenders of the faith and the worshippers at the altar of Ludd.
This is the genre of do what you will and do what you want, bowing the the pressure of an elite is to be resisted regardless of the uniform that elite wears, give the die-hard fans what they want can be just as wrong as giving the record execs what they want. If you don't like the results then don't buy it, just don't winge and whine about what could have been, what should have been or what might have been - that's a has been lament
Your way or the highway? I'll take the free way and I'll still be in Progland before ye, but me and my true love will never meet again on the bonnie, bonnie banks of Rick's keyboards.
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Posted: May 11 2013 at 04:41
Yes, some of those prog rock bands fell off the proverbial cliff by the late 70s. Maybe they should have stuck to their guns but I wonder how much support they enjoyed from the labels by that point. Speaking of Renaissance, Annie joked they would have to sell their houses to have an orchestra accompany them on tour now. It was in the late 70s, probably right after Song for All Seasons that orchestras got unionized. Put the pieces together and maybe the lavish pyrotechnics of old prog were not feasible any more. Pink Floyd lost money on The Wall tour, for instance. But the album was a hit and so was Moving Pictures because both bands had crossover appeal and could incorporate more contemporary (for the time) influences without losing their identity. How feasible would a repeat of Saucerful of Secrets have been in 1979? But surely it would have been a lot more ambitious and experimental than The Wall? Some succeeded in adapting to the winds of change and some didn't, but change they had to.
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Posted: May 11 2013 at 04:20
Back on topic here..
All the great and commercially successful prog bands of the 70's started making crap albums by the end of the 70's. Tull did "A" which is not a positive progression from their previous albums. ELP's Love Beach... Giant for a Day, Camel made some cheesy horrible albums as did Haslam's camp. In through the Out Door was a pathetic offering from Zep.
I feel the fall of prog lies on the artists themselves for making bad albums. What if they had just stuck to their guns and kept making great albums? Why should guys in their late 30's be burned out when many classical composers did their best works well into their 60's or even beyond?
Floyd did The Wall. Great album and was successful.. Hugely so. Rush put out Moving Pictures around 1980 and it was their greatest seller I believe. Hugely successful.
Yes never totally came apart as Tormato and Drama were still qualtiy releases.. but not up to CTTE or TFTO standards.
Genesis went pop but they did really good pop. What killed these other bands is that they did bad pop.. and bad prog. Yes got lucky with "Owner...." as that could have been a miss and gone unoticed. The rest of the album might have sold as well as "Beat" or "Three of a Perfect Pair"
AC DC proved you don't have to reinvent yourself every 5 minutes. Iron Maiden also.
Scorpions could have gone prog.. they had the musicianship to do it.. but they went more metal, and pop.. but they had great pop songs.
The Prog artists should have said no to drum machines, and digital manipulation. Because they didn't need them.
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Posted: May 02 2013 at 12:17
I don't know, Nick, I think we'll take it up with his monkey!
However, I'm sure any such meetings with Bieber and his monkey will dissolve into plenty of faeces throwing...and the monkey will look on unhappily too!
I remember that Aussie girl Orithani had a minor commercial hit around about the same time as that Jackson movie came out. Tom Ozric on the Archives said to me `There's some song on the work radio, I think it must be Santana, it's got this wailing guitar over every inch of it...' lol! Turns out it was her song!
In regards to the Beiber film, the only way that could have made it better is if they took the 3D even further, made it a true multimedia extravaganza - why not have planes that fly over the audience dropping sh*t on them, all to a 360 degree surround sound mix of Bieber laughing manically?! Roger's `The Wall' eat your heart out!
Would you really want to hear a pop song or artist have all the wonderful sound bells and whistles attached to that kind of music?? You would die, ok! Lol. Let's keep in the prog in super stereophonic heaven and Bieber land in crusty old a track or mono. Lol
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