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AEProgman
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Posted: April 13 2013 at 21:21 |
^Wife has a 05 Honda Civic which I love to drive, it handles great....no pounding stereo though. ^^Damn, 5 channels at 150W! I guess I can't complain too much....as a youth I had mis-matched impedance box house speakers and 2 way Jenson speakers stuck in the rear window of my 1974 Pinto fed by an 8-track Pioneer system blasting Aerosmith, Kiss, and Floyd. It was a loud egg shell with gas..... .
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AEProgman
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Dean
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Posted: April 14 2013 at 03:17 |
Finnforest wrote:
I'm a honda guy.....
i had a bright red 95 integra that was a blast....no real power of course, but such damn fun in corners....i used to hit this really sharp curve area and you could just corner like crazy, huge fun
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The wife has a honda, it's a good little car and while it didn't exactly win in an argument with a 18-wheeler, it didn't lose either - remarkably after being spun off the road and shoved into the central-reservation, it was back on the road within two weeks and is still going strong.
The VW Scirocco (in the picture) was dreadful at cornering ... when cornering hard if the front wheel touched the painted white-line if felt like you were going to fall off (in much the same way falling off a motorcycle feels when you're just about to fall off). Since the UK roads are more corners than straights I seriously considered dumping it for a honda or nissan that could go round corners, but I liked everything else about the vw skyrocket and didn't really want to part with it so I spent £1000 on sports suspension and shocks, lowering it no more than about half an inch in the process. After that it cornered like it was on rails and while my current coupe is considerably more powerful and considerably quicker and faster, it cannot take really sharp corners as fast as the modified skyrocket could.
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Finnforest
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Posted: April 14 2013 at 13:25 |
Dean wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
I'm a honda guy.....
i had a bright red 95 integra that was a blast....no real power of course, but such damn fun in corners....i used to hit this really sharp curve area and you could just corner like crazy, huge fun
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The wife has a honda, it's a good little car and while it didn't exactly win in an argument with a 18-wheeler, it didn't lose either - remarkably after being spun off the road and shoved into the central-reservation, it was back on the road within two weeks and is still going strong.
The VW Scirocco (in the picture) was dreadful at cornering ... when cornering hard if the front wheel touched the painted white-line if felt like you were going to fall off (in much the same way falling off a motorcycle feels when you're just about to fall off). Since the UK roads are more corners than straights I seriously considered dumping it for a honda or nissan that could go round corners, but I liked everything else about the vw skyrocket and didn't really want to part with it so I spent £1000 on sports suspension and shocks, lowering it no more than about half an inch in the process. After that it cornered like it was on rails and while my current coupe is considerably more powerful and considerably quicker and faster, it cannot take really sharp corners as fast as the modified skyrocket could. |
Your comments about stop lights somewhere below was right, they are like a cancer spreading to so many locations where not needed, to protect people from their own driving inabilities and their inattentiveness. I could parlay that into another rant about sh*tty local govt and transportation policy, but I won't. What I really wanted to say was that a few miles north they put in the areas first Roundabouts and for me personally I think it was the first ones I'd driven on. Initially disconcerting and strange....they were pretty fun once I got the hang. Supposedly the are building many more. But these ones are semi-rural, I wonder how well they will work in the more crowded areas with today's American driver who can't put away their damn phone and generally can't pay attention, because, as a teen I know so tellingly put it " driving is so boring, I can't......*just*......drive!"
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: April 27 2013 at 15:34 |
My mother, that woman, she is out of her mind. She is b$%ching about my CD collection taking up an awful lot of shelf space in my apartment. "And what if we have to move to another place? That's just gonna be extra burden to move!" "Just take a look at how much space it takes. Did you know that some time soon the specialists will create a chip that can carry all of your music?"
I mean, I can win this argument with that woman. It's just that it drains an awful amount of patience and energy from me. Exactly how low should my self-esteem be so that I wouldn't mind waiting for something that will come around (probably) when I get old or after I die (due or not due to natural causes)?
Edited by Dayvenkirq - April 27 2013 at 15:42
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HolyMoly
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Posted: April 30 2013 at 09:08 |
Can I rant here? Oh good.
I'm in a band that's just looking for some decent gigs. We've been together about 8 years, mostly playing for free and for groups of friends, but in the last couple of years we've decided to up the ante and focus on original material and obtain some more substantial gigs. One of our main sticky points recently has been to avoid lugging our entire PA system across town just to play for small (paying or non-paying) groups of people who probably aren't even listening and would rather hear a cover band play "Margaritaville". In short, no more party gigs. I've turned down two this year already. Instead, we'd like to try and get shows booked at music clubs - where people come there to hear music, and you're encouraged to play your own stuff, and most importantly, there's a PA system and sound man already there.
Despite some uncertainty, we decided to accept a gig for a "Relay for Life" event sponsored by the American Cancer Society. It seemed like a good opportunity for local exposure in the ATL scene. This is a big all-night outdoor event with multiple bands. Naturally, being a charity event, we would expect no pay for such a gig. However, I have been trying for the last month to get some answers as to what equipment will be there, and what we would have to bring. I had been led to believe they had a PA system at the event, but no one could really confirm this with certainty, and I got bounced around to numerous friendly people with good intentions who were unable to answer my questions. The event is in three days.
Bottom line, I finally got some answers.
- There's a DJ with a PA system, but there will be no microphones nor stage monitors for the band. Meaning we will pretty much have to bring most of our rig on Friday.
- No sound man, which means erratic and unbalanced stage sound, relying on annoyed patrons to help us adjust our levels as we go.
- Sparked by an offhand comment I made in a very early email saying our bass player would need to shuffle his work schedule in order to be able to play at the agreed 8 pm slot, the event coordinators took it upon themselves to move us to 11 pm without asking us, thinking they were doing us a favor.
- A 30-40 minute set (we had planned for at least an hour) which means by the time we get the sound figured out, our set will be over.
We're having band rehearsal tonight to decide how to handle this. I'm tempted to just bag the whole thing, but it is a charity event, and doesn't seem to be in the spirit of giving to cancel on an event like this - even though if I had known all of this weeks ago like I should have, we probably would have declined the gig in the first place.
I get the impression that most people believe that live music works in real life like it does on TV shows like "Glee". Just give some guys some instruments, and presto! You've got a concert. But there are a lot of wires, speakers, amplifiers and microphones involved, and getting them all set the right way is necessary for a band sounding good. You don't just show up with a guitar and suddenly you're Guns n' Roses.
OK, thanks for allowing me to rant.
Edited by HolyMoly - April 30 2013 at 09:11
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Posted: April 30 2013 at 09:17 |
What a freakin bummer!
I know what you mean about the sound of live shows. Very fickle indeed, and to (more or less) be in charge of that part, in addition to having to play, is not cool. Especially when it's a last minute thing. I hope you guys figure something out Steve
P.S. Kudos for giving the music a chance though. Focusing on your own material and all. I hope you'll tour Scandinavia at some point. I'm a dirt cheap roadie, plus I play the bassoon quite horribly.
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Posted: April 30 2013 at 09:50 |
Sounds like a gig arranged by someone who hasn't got the first clue about the requirements of a live band (i.e. a decent PA to start with). There's no guarantee that the DJs PA will be okay for you, it doesn't sound very good for an event with multiple bands.
Perhaps you could get together with some of the other bands and arrange a proper PA between you?
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Posted: April 30 2013 at 10:22 |
I like this last suggestion - all the bands seem to be in the same boat, maybe reach out to some of them?
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HolyMoly
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Posted: April 30 2013 at 10:27 |
Not a bad idea. I'll run it by the boys today. The main problem with that is, it's an all-night event (6 pm to 6 am), and I don't have any desire to stick around the entire time waiting to get our gear back.
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Dean
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Posted: April 30 2013 at 10:45 |
From (bitter) experience: You need to ask how big the gig is - how big the venue is and how many people will be there. The DJ rig will be inadequate for a band. If you provide the PA for one or two bands then they'll all want to use it so it would be better to find some music technology student / budding sound engineer with his own gear and see if he'll do it for the experience than do it yourself. I'd also get together with the other bands and discuss sharing backline gear and perhaps even drums (everything except snare and overheads usually), in my experience having lots of amatuer (no offense) bands bumping into each other and getting tempremental during change-over is an effin' nightmare (no offense) - one thing it never is is 'slick'. I'd also get a written agreement that any breakages will be covered by all participants, not just the clumsy clown that put his foot through the floor tom skin in the change-over, or the budding Roger Daltry who smacked the mic stand into the overhead flourescent lignts during his more energetic stage performance (both of whom will be long-gone by the time it comes to pay up).
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HolyMoly
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Posted: April 30 2013 at 11:13 |
Thanks, Dean. The infuriating thing is that I have been asking questions about the equipment for weeks, with very little response from them at all, not even a "let me check on that for you". I gather they're understaffed and in over their heads.
With the responsiveness the way it's been so far, I have little faith that I could pull together multiple bands to collaborate on a common PA system and/or drum set, with only 3 days til the gig, and honestly, I don't want the gig that badly.
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HolyMoly
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Posted: April 30 2013 at 15:29 |
Problem solved. I cancelled the gig.
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Posted: April 30 2013 at 15:41 |
In an alternative world, the band follows through with the gig, it turns out that the director of new talent for Atlantic Records just happens to be in attendance, he signs the band on the spot to a multimillion dollar multirecord deal and the band goes on to become the biggest thing since Guns N Roses.
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Posted: May 01 2013 at 07:09 |
HolyMoly wrote:
Not a bad idea. I'll run it by the boys today. The main problem with that is, it's an all-night event (6 pm to 6 am), and I don't have any desire to stick around the entire time waiting to get our gear back. |
I almost fell foul of that once. We were the support band and the main band wanted to borrow my bass amp. I said no and they got all stroppy and wanted to know why.
"Because we finish playing at 9 and you finish playing at 11, that's why. I don't want to hang around for 2 hours. Why haven't you got your own bass amp?"
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Posted: May 01 2013 at 07:13 |
And that was almost as bad as the guitarist in a band we supported years ago. He had about 25 effects pedals spread over 2 boards and God knows how many adapters. When I plugged my one amp in, it blew the fuse in the hall and he blamed it on me!
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Posted: May 01 2013 at 07:15 |
^Sounds like a really nice chap
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HolyMoly
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Posted: May 01 2013 at 09:15 |
rushfan4 wrote:
In an alternative world, the band follows through with the gig, it turns out that the director of new talent for Atlantic Records just happens to be in attendance, he signs the band on the spot to a multimillion dollar multirecord deal and the band goes on to become the biggest thing since Guns N Roses. |
Alas.
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Dean
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Posted: May 01 2013 at 09:45 |
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Posted: May 01 2013 at 10:30 |
^WHOA! Looks like Axl ate the jungle.
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