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Posted: April 30 2013 at 10:11
^Again, none here will be able to argue the fact that only government television handles those things well nowadays with so-called "science" private channels turned into reality-show networks. PBS is the best.
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Posted: April 30 2013 at 10:13
JJLehto wrote:
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I have read two books by Sowell and I can say I agree with a large percentage of what he says.
I've only seen him speaking/being interviewed but what was cool was much of his non political stuff. Like his discussion on the role of intellectuals and knowledge in society. As well as his talk of what markets are exactly and "income distribution"One major issue I did have was his claim "open space" had a big role in the housing bubble. I just don't have info on it but seems unlikely that had such a big role, I think the bubbles just happened in more attractive/wealthy/"nice" places like CA, NV, AZ, the northeast and Florida because they are nicer, wealthier and more attractive than let's say Texas.
The books I read had some economics but it was mostly about social reasons for and outcomes of those economic decisions, plus a lot of other subjects. I was quite pleased even though Intellectuals and Society was a lo g and dry read.
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Posted: April 30 2013 at 11:34
Can you clarify his open space claim some Brian? I usually don't read Sowell because he conjectures as fact too much and uses sketchty sources sometimes, plus he harps on race issues way too much for me.
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Posted: May 02 2013 at 16:00
dr wu23 wrote:
Hmmm......no state income tax, Republican governors, they love guns,.... figured Libertarians would love Florida.
Or am I missing that subtle Libertarian thinking ...again..?
Cons: Republican governors, most of the State is scary deep South cretin infested, abusive local law enforcement, abusive federal law enforcement, CIA drug cartels and the such &c.
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Posted: May 04 2013 at 10:31
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Hmmm......no state income tax, Republican governors, they love guns,.... figured Libertarians would love Florida.
Or am I missing that subtle Libertarian thinking ...again..?
Cons: Republican governors, most of the State is scary deep South cretin infested, abusive local law enforcement, abusive federal law enforcement, CIA drug cartels and the such &c.
CIA drug cartels...?
Edited by dr wu23 - May 04 2013 at 10:32
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Posted: May 04 2013 at 12:36
^I'm just guessing but it has almost been proven that the CIA funded the Contras in Nicaragua with drug money. Though mostly in CA, not in FL (by then Miami had stopped being the cocaine capital of the world). Still, it once was, it's known that its skyline was built with laundered money.
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Posted: May 04 2013 at 13:35
The T wrote:
^I'm just guessing but it has almost been proven that the CIA funded the Contras in Nicaragua with drug money. Though mostly in CA, not in FL (by then Miami had stopped being the cocaine capital of the world). Still, it once was, it's known that its skyline was built with laundered money.
Not just the Contras, lots of others too, such as the Karzai gang in Afghanistan...
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Posted: May 04 2013 at 13:59
dr wu23 wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Hmmm......no state income tax, Republican governors, they love guns,.... figured Libertarians would love Florida.
Or am I missing that subtle Libertarian thinking ...again..?
Cons: Republican governors, most of the State is scary deep South cretin infested, abusive local law enforcement, abusive federal law enforcement, CIA drug cartels and the such &c.
CIA drug cartels...?
Of course you can't say much concretely about clandestine government agencies, but they have been linked pretty strongly Mexican and Central American cartels, providing munitions, exchanging clemency for information, etc.
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
Hmmm......no state income tax, Republican governors, they love guns,.... figured Libertarians would love Florida.
Or am I missing that subtle Libertarian thinking ...again..?
Yes, you are. True libertarians are NOT Republicans.
It's difficult I admit, if you operate with a 2 party mindset, but aside from a few issues they are pretty much the same. When this is realized it's easy to see the GOP is far from the limited government they pretend to want.
Speaking of Contras, just look at Reagan. He went against the will of Congress, to fund a terrorist group to over throw a foreign regime, and when called out he claimed "I dont recall" and let someone else take the fall.
Or funding both sides of the Iran-Iraq war for another That's a real peace loving, limited government fella right there! Edit: Oh and the dirty secret that he OKd several tax increases that pretty much negated any cuts for the middle class. It was a libertarian that had to tell me that one.
Can you clarify his open space claim some Brian? I usually don't read Sowell because he conjectures as fact too much and uses sketchty sources sometimes
Sure. To be fair, he lays blame with many: The Fed, Clinton and Wubya, certain laws, Fanny and Freddy.
But he says that the housing bubble was not really a national bubble, but sprouted up in certain areas. CA, and especially coastal CA, Arizona, Nevada, Florida, much of the northeast. While Texas, and a lot of the rest, really didn't have the price inflation. Why is this?
His claim is that "open space" policies are responsible. By that he means various green laws, restricting land use. This restriction of land of course made prices higher, before the boom even, and especially afterwards.
I think there is validity to it, just he doesn't really provide much hard data...just says it is that way. He really focuses on California too.
Can't deny these open space laws may have played a role but I think it's more that the areas that fueled the bubble are just more affluent and/or attractive. Ya know? People will wanna live in FL, NV, AZ more than Wyoming, and places like CA and NJ are just wealthier overall than say Texas.
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Posted: May 07 2013 at 12:01
JJLehto wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Can you clarify his open space claim some Brian? I usually don't read Sowell because he conjectures as fact too much and uses sketchty sources sometimes
Sure. To be fair, he lays blame with many: The Fed, Clinton and Wubya, certain laws, Fanny and Freddy.
But he says that the housing bubble was not really a national bubble, but sprouted up in certain areas. CA, and especially coastal CA, Arizona, Nevada, Florida, much of the northeast. While Texas, and a lot of the rest, really didn't have the price inflation. Why is this?
His claim is that "open space" policies are responsible. By that he means various green laws, restricting land use. This restriction of land of course made prices higher, before the boom even, and especially afterwards.
I think there is validity to it, just he doesn't really provide much hard data...just says it is that way. He really focuses on California too.
Can't deny these open space laws may have played a role but I think it's more that the areas that fueled the bubble are just more affluent and/or attractive. Ya know? People will wanna live in FL, NV, AZ more than Wyoming, and places like CA and NJ are just wealthier overall than say Texas.
Eh. I would really need to see something concrete on that front. I can't imagine those laws really impacting prices in a meaningful way.
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